[sip-comm] Enhancement: Don't hide Phonebook


#1

Hello,

I am new to SIP-Communicator and allthough it is ALPHA, I like it.

There is one enhancement that I would like you to implement:
When hiding the inactive contacts, also the phone-book for SIP-Accounts is
hidden. It should be possible to distinguish between Contacts that must be
online to call them and contacts that can be called also when they appear
offline (normal telephones).

Best regards,

Andreas


#2

Is this why on some of my systems, all of my contacts are invisible?

    Lee

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On 01/16/2011 03:25 AM, Andreas Forster wrote:

Hello,

I am new to SIP-Communicator and allthough it is ALPHA, I like it.

There is one enhancement that I would like you to implement:
When hiding the inactive contacts, also the phone-book for SIP-Accounts
is hidden. It should be possible to distinguish between Contacts that
must be online to call them and contacts that can be called also when
they appear offline (normal telephones).

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#3

Hey Andreas,

На 16.01.11 09:25, Andreas Forster написа:

Hello,

I am new to SIP-Communicator and allthough it is ALPHA, I like it.

Thanks!

There is one enhancement that I would like you to implement:
When hiding the inactive contacts, also the phone-book for SIP-Accounts
is hidden. It should be possible to distinguish between Contacts that
must be online to call them and contacts that can be called also when
they appear offline (normal telephones).

I am afraid this is not so simple. From a SIP Communicator perspective a
contact entered by the user as +18005551234 another one they created as
mybuddy@theirserver.com are both instances of the same thing: a SIP URI.
Determining whether or not either one should always be displayed as
online would be tricky.

Note that offline contacts still appear in search results. Also note
that the "Show offline contacts" entry in the Tools menu allows you to
always show all your contacts regardless of their status.

Hope this helps,
Emil

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#4

Hello Emil,

maybe I can explain my idea to make the not so simple thing easier:

There is one enhancement that I would like you to implement:
When hiding the inactive contacts, also the phone-book for SIP-Accounts
is hidden. It should be possible to distinguish between Contacts that
must be online to call them and contacts that can be called also when
they appear offline (normal telephones).

I am afraid this is not so simple. From a SIP Communicator perspective a

contact entered by the user as +18005551234 another one they created as
mybuddy@theirserver.com are both instances of the same thing: a SIP URI.
Determining whether or not either one should always be displayed as
online would be tricky.

Perhaps an attribute can be added either to a contact or to a group, which
says that the contact or group should be displayed even when offline
contacts are hidden. This attribute could be set manually by the user.

Note that offline contacts still appear in search results. Also note
that the "Show offline contacts" entry in the Tools menu allows you to
always show all your contacts regardless of their status.

Thanks for this hint. But that was not the issue. The problem is more the
following:
I have 42 contacts in ICQ, most of the time around 5 of them are online. I
have 25 contacts in yaho messenger, around 5 are online. And I have 10
entries in my phonebook to call phone numbers via SIP-Communicator.

So, I have 77 entries, but only 20 of them are usable at a moment. I want to
see these 20.

BTW, it's a similar sorting in Skype: first I see all online Skype-contacts,
then I see all phone-numbes (they are always reachable), and then come the
offline contacts.

Have a nice evening,

Andreas


#5

Hey Andreas,

На 17.01.11 19:12, Andreas Forster написа:

Hello Emil,

maybe I can explain my idea to make the not so simple thing easier:

There is one enhancement that I would like you to implement:
When hiding the inactive contacts, also the phone-book for SIP-Accounts
is hidden. It should be possible to distinguish between Contacts that
must be online to call them and contacts that can be called also when
they appear offline (normal telephones).

    I am afraid this is not so simple. From a SIP Communicator perspective a
    contact entered by the user as +18005551234 another one they created as
    mybuddy@theirserver.com <mailto:mybuddy@theirserver.com> are both
    instances of the same thing: a SIP URI.
    Determining whether or not either one should always be displayed as
    online would be tricky.

Perhaps an attribute can be added either to a contact or to a group,
which says that the contact or group should be displayed even when
offline contacts are hidden. This attribute could be set manually by the
user.

This could work ... although it sounds a bit convoluted to me, from a
user perspective. Still, if you are interested in submitting a patch
that adds an "Always show" option to a contact or a group we'd be happy
to consider it. Otherwise, unless others confirm this as an important
feature, I don't think we will be spending any time on it.

    Note that offline contacts still appear in search results. Also note
    that the "Show offline contacts" entry in the Tools menu allows you to
    always show all your contacts regardless of their status.

Thanks for this hint. But that was not the issue. The problem is more
the following:
I have 42 contacts in ICQ, most of the time around 5 of them are online.
I have 25 contacts in yaho messenger, around 5 are online. And I have 10
entries in my phonebook to call phone numbers via SIP-Communicator.

So, I have 77 entries, but only 20 of them are usable at a moment. I
want to see these 20.

BTW, it's a similar sorting in Skype: first I see all online
Skype-contacts, then I see all phone-numbes (they are always reachable),
and then come the offline contacts.

We are not really in the same situation as skype. A +18005551234 entry
in a Skype contact list is unambiguously a phone number. In SC it could
also be a contact that does support presence.

Cheers,
Emil

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#6

I'd like to see this feature, because I'd like sometimes to only have
selected users to always be in the list for the same reason that they are
reachable even if they are offline.

Thanks

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On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@sip-communicator.org>wrote:

Hey Andreas,

На 17.01.11 19:12, Andreas Forster написа:
> Hello Emil,
>
> maybe I can explain my idea to make the not so simple thing easier:
>
>
>> There is one enhancement that I would like you to implement:
>> When hiding the inactive contacts, also the phone-book for SIP-Accounts
>> is hidden. It should be possible to distinguish between Contacts that
>> must be online to call them and contacts that can be called also when
>> they appear offline (normal telephones).
>
> I am afraid this is not so simple. From a SIP Communicator
perspective a
> contact entered by the user as +18005551234 another one they created
as
> mybuddy@theirserver.com <mailto:mybuddy@theirserver.com> are both
> instances of the same thing: a SIP URI.
> Determining whether or not either one should always be displayed as
> online would be tricky.
>
>
> Perhaps an attribute can be added either to a contact or to a group,
> which says that the contact or group should be displayed even when
> offline contacts are hidden. This attribute could be set manually by the
> user.

This could work ... although it sounds a bit convoluted to me, from a
user perspective. Still, if you are interested in submitting a patch
that adds an "Always show" option to a contact or a group we'd be happy
to consider it. Otherwise, unless others confirm this as an important
feature, I don't think we will be spending any time on it.

> Note that offline contacts still appear in search results. Also note
> that the "Show offline contacts" entry in the Tools menu allows you
to
> always show all your contacts regardless of their status.
>
>
> Thanks for this hint. But that was not the issue. The problem is more
> the following:
> I have 42 contacts in ICQ, most of the time around 5 of them are online.
> I have 25 contacts in yaho messenger, around 5 are online. And I have 10
> entries in my phonebook to call phone numbers via SIP-Communicator.
>
> So, I have 77 entries, but only 20 of them are usable at a moment. I
> want to see these 20.
>
> BTW, it's a similar sorting in Skype: first I see all online
> Skype-contacts, then I see all phone-numbes (they are always reachable),
> and then come the offline contacts.

We are not really in the same situation as skype. A +18005551234 entry
in a Skype contact list is unambiguously a phone number. In SC it could
also be a contact that does support presence.

Cheers,
Emil

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#7

На 18.01.11 15:06, Richard Lavoie написа:

I'd like to see this feature, because I'd like sometimes to only have
selected users to always be in the list for the same reason that they
are reachable even if they are offline.

Duly noted.

Any takers for contributing a patch?

Cheers,
Emil

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Thanks

On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@sip-communicator.org > <mailto:emcho@sip-communicator.org>> wrote:

    Hey Andreas,

    На 17.01.11 19:12, Andreas Forster написа:
    > Hello Emil,
    >
    > maybe I can explain my idea to make the not so simple thing easier:
    >
    >
    >> There is one enhancement that I would like you to implement:
    >> When hiding the inactive contacts, also the phone-book for
    SIP-Accounts
    >> is hidden. It should be possible to distinguish between Contacts that
    >> must be online to call them and contacts that can be called also when
    >> they appear offline (normal telephones).
    >
    > I am afraid this is not so simple. From a SIP Communicator
    perspective a
    > contact entered by the user as +18005551234 another one they
    created as
    > mybuddy@theirserver.com <mailto:mybuddy@theirserver.com>
    <mailto:mybuddy@theirserver.com <mailto:mybuddy@theirserver.com>>
    are both
    > instances of the same thing: a SIP URI.
    > Determining whether or not either one should always be
    displayed as
    > online would be tricky.
    >
    >
    > Perhaps an attribute can be added either to a contact or to a group,
    > which says that the contact or group should be displayed even when
    > offline contacts are hidden. This attribute could be set manually
    by the
    > user.

    This could work ... although it sounds a bit convoluted to me, from a
    user perspective. Still, if you are interested in submitting a patch
    that adds an "Always show" option to a contact or a group we'd be happy
    to consider it. Otherwise, unless others confirm this as an important
    feature, I don't think we will be spending any time on it.

    > Note that offline contacts still appear in search results.
    Also note
    > that the "Show offline contacts" entry in the Tools menu
    allows you to
    > always show all your contacts regardless of their status.
    >
    >
    > Thanks for this hint. But that was not the issue. The problem is more
    > the following:
    > I have 42 contacts in ICQ, most of the time around 5 of them are
    online.
    > I have 25 contacts in yaho messenger, around 5 are online. And I
    have 10
    > entries in my phonebook to call phone numbers via SIP-Communicator.
    >
    > So, I have 77 entries, but only 20 of them are usable at a moment. I
    > want to see these 20.
    >
    > BTW, it's a similar sorting in Skype: first I see all online
    > Skype-contacts, then I see all phone-numbes (they are always
    reachable),
    > and then come the offline contacts.

    We are not really in the same situation as skype. A +18005551234 entry
    in a Skype contact list is unambiguously a phone number. In SC it could
    also be a contact that does support presence.

    Cheers,
    Emil

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