[sip-comm-dev] SoC final evaluation question


#1

Hi everyone,

As I checked my SoC status today I learn that my project was judged
negatively thus no final payment will be made.

I am trying to be objective, and the most basic thing that comes to my
mind is that I have not been contacted or adverted in anyway about
this possibility, not even once by any member of SIP or my supervisor.
I remember during mid-term other SIP student was warned about the lack
of progress and some goals were set for him to continue and I feel
that anyone deserved the same.

As for the actual state of my project, the goals of the project were
completed, the source code cleaned and commented, and documentation
about the implementation was presented for my supervisor and other
dev's evaluation.

http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Development/Babelfish

But it was judged not sufficient, and it is your right to do so, but
at the very least I should learn it from you not from my SoC status
page.

Today news are really sad to me as I have put a lot of work into the
project and really hope you take the time to continue over my
translation module.

Best regards,

Ernesto

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#2

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Ernesto. I look forward to the feedback
from your mentor and other SIP community members.

Best,
LH

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On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Ernesto Rivera <rivera.ernesto@gmail.com>wrote:

Hi everyone,

As I checked my SoC status today I learn that my project was judged
negatively thus no final payment will be made.

I am trying to be objective, and the most basic thing that comes to my
mind is that I have not been contacted or adverted in anyway about
this possibility, not even once by any member of SIP or my supervisor.
I remember during mid-term other SIP student was warned about the lack
of progress and some goals were set for him to continue and I feel
that anyone deserved the same.

As for the actual state of my project, the goals of the project were
completed, the source code cleaned and commented, and documentation
about the implementation was presented for my supervisor and other
dev's evaluation.

http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Development/Babelfish

But it was judged not sufficient, and it is your right to do so, but
at the very least I should learn it from you not from my SoC status
page.

Today news are really sad to me as I have put a lot of work into the
project and really hope you take the time to continue over my
translation module.

Best regards,

Ernesto

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Program Manager - Open Source
Google Inc.

http://code.google.com/opensource/

I blog here:

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#3

In case anyone is wondering whether this disagreement is appropriate
content for a public mailing list, I want to say that I am benefiting
very much from seeing how the GSoC projects are managed as part of the
larger S-C project. This discussion makes more clear both processes,
especially the difficulty of communication in them that is always the
hardest part of any project, especially SW development, especially
"distributed development", especially in the relatively loose
affiliations and obligations of public open source projects. Thank you
all for sharing your experiences so candidly. I am hopeful that you can
complete a mutually accepted resolution to your disagreements. And I am
grateful for everyone's contributions to this project, even if they
might not always meet everyone's expectations 100%.

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On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 19:55 +0300, Lubomir Marinov wrote:

Dear Ernesto, Leslie and SIP Communicator developers,

It was my first year of participation in Google Summer of Code. As it
usually does with firsts, whatever one's read, heard and seen about
it, nothing is quite the same as the real thing - it was a pleasantly
unknown and sincerely exciting experience with its ups and downs,
rewarding moments of happiness and discouraging sparks of late
enlightenment. Thank you all for letting me be a part of it!

Initially, I was very happy Ernesto would be my student because it
would be his third participation in GSoC.

Near the firm pencils-down date, Ernesto informed me of what was
committed (not for the first time) into his branch AND warning me that
he would be unavailable until after my submission of the final
evaluation survey. Ignoring the fact that there was no single
occurrence of Ernesto asking me how his work was perceived, I took it
as a timely notice that attempts on my side to contact him during the
period would be futile. Consequently, I didn't bother to send a
private message to him informing of my final evaluation - he'd see the
official statement at the same time. I now see that this might have
been a bit to harsh from me. My apologies.

As I stated in my final evaluation in the Google web app, I found the
source code deliverable only partially meeting the project goals
stated at http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Development/Babelfish.

I also found the level of communication and the style of the work
process unsatisfactory for the successful completion of the program.
During the whole program, the communication level with Ernesto was low
and, consequently, I would often call for bettering the situation, for
providing more timely updates in our chat conversations only to be
contacted a week later with after-the-fact statements of what has
already been done as seen necessary by Ernesto. Not to mention that it
wasn't uncommon for me to ask what was going to be next, to receive a
(satisfactory) brief summary and then discover a week later that it
was not followed.

I'm not saying that Ernesto didn't provide any work but I'm confident
that the mid-term payment is a sufficient reward for his effort.

Please don't hesitate to ask for further clarifications.

Best regards,
Lubo

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Ernesto Rivera <rivera.ernesto@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> As I checked my SoC status today I learn that my project was judged
> negatively thus no final payment will be made.
>
> I am trying to be objective, and the most basic thing that comes to my
> mind is that I have not been contacted or adverted in anyway about
> this possibility, not even once by any member of SIP or my supervisor.
> I remember during mid-term other SIP student was warned about the lack
> of progress and some goals were set for him to continue and I feel
> that anyone deserved the same.
>
> As for the actual state of my project, the goals of the project were
> completed, the source code cleaned and commented, and documentation
> about the implementation was presented for my supervisor and other
> dev's evaluation.
>
> http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Development/Babelfish
>
> But it was judged not sufficient, and it is your right to do so, but
> at the very least I should learn it from you not from my SoC status
> page.
>
> Today news are really sad to me as I have put a lot of work into the
> project and really hope you take the time to continue over my
> translation module.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ernesto
>

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#4

Dear Ernesto, Leslie and SIP Communicator developers,

It was my first year of participation in Google Summer of Code. As it
usually does with firsts, whatever one's read, heard and seen about
it, nothing is quite the same as the real thing - it was a pleasantly
unknown and sincerely exciting experience with its ups and downs,
rewarding moments of happiness and discouraging sparks of late
enlightenment. Thank you all for letting me be a part of it!

Initially, I was very happy Ernesto would be my student because it
would be his third participation in GSoC.

Near the firm pencils-down date, Ernesto informed me of what was
committed (not for the first time) into his branch AND warning me that
he would be unavailable until after my submission of the final
evaluation survey. Ignoring the fact that there was no single
occurrence of Ernesto asking me how his work was perceived, I took it
as a timely notice that attempts on my side to contact him during the
period would be futile. Consequently, I didn't bother to send a
private message to him informing of my final evaluation - he'd see the
official statement at the same time. I now see that this might have
been a bit to harsh from me. My apologies.

As I stated in my final evaluation in the Google web app, I found the
source code deliverable only partially meeting the project goals
stated at http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Development/Babelfish.

I also found the level of communication and the style of the work
process unsatisfactory for the successful completion of the program.
During the whole program, the communication level with Ernesto was low
and, consequently, I would often call for bettering the situation, for
providing more timely updates in our chat conversations only to be
contacted a week later with after-the-fact statements of what has
already been done as seen necessary by Ernesto. Not to mention that it
wasn't uncommon for me to ask what was going to be next, to receive a
(satisfactory) brief summary and then discover a week later that it
was not followed.

I'm not saying that Ernesto didn't provide any work but I'm confident
that the mid-term payment is a sufficient reward for his effort.

Please don't hesitate to ask for further clarifications.

Best regards,
Lubo

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On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Ernesto Rivera <rivera.ernesto@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

As I checked my SoC status today I learn that my project was judged
negatively thus no final payment will be made.

I am trying to be objective, and the most basic thing that comes to my
mind is that I have not been contacted or adverted in anyway about
this possibility, not even once by any member of SIP or my supervisor.
I remember during mid-term other SIP student was warned about the lack
of progress and some goals were set for him to continue and I feel
that anyone deserved the same.

As for the actual state of my project, the goals of the project were
completed, the source code cleaned and commented, and documentation
about the implementation was presented for my supervisor and other
dev's evaluation.

http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Development/Babelfish

But it was judged not sufficient, and it is your right to do so, but
at the very least I should learn it from you not from my SoC status
page.

Today news are really sad to me as I have put a lot of work into the
project and really hope you take the time to continue over my
translation module.

Best regards,

Ernesto

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#5

Hey Ernesto, Leslie, all

I'd like to add a few comments to what has already been said by Lubo

Ernesto Rivera написа:

Hi everyone,

As I checked my SoC status today I learn that my project was judged
negatively thus no final payment will be made.

I completely understand that this can be frustrating, however you
shouldn't let it cloud your judgement as to whose responsibility this is.

I am trying to be objective, and the most basic thing that comes to my
mind is that I have not been contacted or adverted in anyway about
this possibility,

While I would agree that learning a failure from your mentor is
preferable to discovering it on the web page, I don't think that you
have been unaware of this possibility. I understand that this is your
third participation in Google Summer of Code so you should already know
that failure to provide results that are satisfactory to the community
leads to a failure in GSoC.

I was very happy to see Lubo do such a great job mentoring both you and
his other student despite the fact that this was his first time in GSoC.
He has been very involved and in constant communication with you guys
(and that's only the part I've seen). I therefore find it particularly
unfair of you to make such accusations.

not even once by any member of SIP or my supervisor.
I remember during mid-term other SIP student was warned about the lack
of progress and some goals were set for him to continue and I feel
that anyone deserved the same.

As for the actual state of my project, the goals of the project were
completed, the source code cleaned and commented, and documentation
about the implementation was presented for my supervisor and other
dev's evaluation.

http://www.sip-communicator.org/index.php/Development/Babelfish

Lubo has gone over this already so I am not going to dwell on it again.
To put it shortly though, we are currently unable to integrate your work
into the trunk of SIP Communicator. Once you get past today's emotions,
I am sure that Lubo would be happy to go with you (again) over all the
points that would need fixing and that have led to his decision.

We'd be very glad to continue having you as a volunteering contributor
should you choose to stick with our community!

Cheers
Emil

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But it was judged not sufficient, and it is your right to do so, but
at the very least I should learn it from you not from my SoC status
page.

Today news are really sad to me as I have put a lot of work into the
project and really hope you take the time to continue over my
translation module.

Best regards,

Ernesto

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