[jitsi-users] What are good, stable public XMPP servers?


#1

Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list your
favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide all the stuff
Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

Non-US servers preferred.

Previously mentioned in the mailing list:
patts.us (Arizona, US)
chat.jpunix.net (California, US)


#2

chat.jpunix.net is in Texas

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On 8/10/2013 4:47 AM, Ansis Māliņš wrote:

Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list your
favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide all the stuff
Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

Non-US servers preferred.

Previously mentioned in the mailing list:
patts.us (Arizona, US)
chat.jpunix.net (California, US)

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#3

I believe that jabber,org is pretty reliable as well. They've been
around forever as I remember.

Anthony

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XMPP: cypherpunk@patts.us

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On 08/10/2013 04:47 AM, Ansis M?li?? wrote:

Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list
your favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide all
the stuff Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

Non-US servers preferred.

Previously mentioned in the mailing list: patts.us
<http://patts.us> (Arizona, US) chat.jpunix.net
<http://chat.jpunix.net> (California, US)\


#4

yes, but jabber.org is quite big, it might be better to use different
servers.

jabber-server.de (Germany)

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Am 10.08.2013 12:21, schrieb Anthony Papillion:

On 08/10/2013 04:47 AM, Ansis M?li?? wrote:

Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list
your favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide
all the stuff Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

Non-US servers preferred.

Previously mentioned in the mailing list: patts.us
<http://patts.us> (Arizona, US) chat.jpunix.net
<http://chat.jpunix.net> (California, US)\

I believe that jabber,org is pretty reliable as well. They've been
around forever as I remember.

Anthony


#5

Hi,

Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list your
favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide all the stuff
Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

IMHO, public XMPP servers break the core idea of XMPP as a decentralized
network. Moreover, big public XMPP services cannot be expected to be
stable.

You should find an XMPP server run by a person you trust (trust as in
friendship) or someone a friend of yours bails for.

Most of the features needed for audio/video are client-side. Except for
jingle-nodes, none of the techniques require special interoperation with
the XMPP server.

JM2C.

-nik

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#6

You can run your own. It is not very difficult. Openfire is a reasonably user friendly experience.

http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/

The only "technical" bit might be configuring you're home broadband router to allow external access, if you need. Also for static IP address, or dynamic DNS services.

Also jabber.ccc.de is a pretty stable server.

Hope that helps,
Bernard

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On 10 Aug 2013, at 11:21, Anthony Papillion wrote:

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On 08/10/2013 04:47 AM, Ansis M?li?? wrote:

Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list
your favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide all
the stuff Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

Non-US servers preferred.

Previously mentioned in the mailing list: patts.us
<http://patts.us> (Arizona, US) chat.jpunix.net
<http://chat.jpunix.net> (California, US)\

I believe that jabber,org is pretty reliable as well. They've been
around forever as I remember.

Anthony

- --
Anthony Papillion
Phone: 1.918.533.9699
SIP: 17772098750@in.callcentric.com
XMPP: cypherpunk@patts.us

www.cajuntechie.org
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#7

www.ostel.co this is not XMPP but SIP, for voice/video using csipsimple on android or jitsi on pc.

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Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list your favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide all the stuff Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

Non-US servers preferred.

Previously mentioned in the mailing list:
patts.us <http://patts.us> (Arizona, US)
chat.jpunix.net <http://chat.jpunix.net> (California, US)

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#8

IMHO you're grossly overestimating the amount of people capable of running
own STABLE servers.


#9

Not really sure how this is meant to work but would each user be
running Openfire alongside Jitsi? If I set up my own server running on
my PC and users have to connect to me via that (and likewise for my
contacts) then wouldn't that essentially be the same as users making
direct connections to each other and if that's the case, isn't there a
simpler method to do that without having to install and setup the
server (or perhaps a server could be integrated into Jitsi)? I guess
we'd also have to setup a Dynamic DNS address for others to be able to
connect to our server and chat with us.

I just setup two accounts on jabberd.eu http://jabberd.eu/ but half an
hour later, I still can't login to either of them for some reason. I'm
using username@jabberd.eu and the password they e-mailed me. They
don't seem to have a way to change the password on their website, so I
don't think I'll keep using them anyway as I don't like using
passwords that have been sent over unsecured e-mail.

I'll try creating a jabber.ccc.de account using Jitsi, as that lets me
choose my own password it seems. I noticed that if I click on Advanced
in the Add New Account dialog, it doesn't carry over any of the
details I've already entered and then clicking Back doesn't go back to
the Simple dialog but closes it completely, losing anything I've
already entered, so that could work better.

After entering the details in the Simple Dialog to create a
jabber.ccc.de account, the window shrunk and it's crashed (busy icon,
can't close the window). After killing Jitsi and restarting, this time
I got an error "No user ID provided". I tried again, using the
Advanced dialog this time and manually setting the server to
jabber.ccc.de and this time got a Null error and this

java.lang.NullPointerException
at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.JabberAccountCreationForm.showErrorMessage(JabberAccountCreationForm.java:277)
at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.JabberAccountCreationForm.createJabberAccount(JabberAccountCreationForm.java:182)
at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.JabberAccountCreationForm.createAccount(JabberAccountCreationForm.java:205)
at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.JabberAccountRegistrationForm.commitPage(JabberAccountRegistrationForm.java:262)
at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.FirstWizardPage.commitPage(FirstWizardPage.java:121)
at net.java.sip.communicator.impl.gui.customcontrols.wizard.WizardController$PageCommitThread.run(WizardController.java:145)

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On 10 August 2013 15:24, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb <ei8fdb@ei8fdb.org> wrote:

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You can run your own. It is not very difficult. Openfire is a reasonably user friendly experience.

http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/

The only "technical" bit might be configuring you're home broadband router to allow external access, if you need. Also for static IP address, or dynamic DNS services.

Also jabber.ccc.de is a pretty stable server.

Hope that helps,
Bernard

On 10 Aug 2013, at 11:21, Anthony Papillion wrote:

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On 08/10/2013 04:47 AM, Ansis M?li?? wrote:

Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list
your favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide all
the stuff Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

Non-US servers preferred.

Previously mentioned in the mailing list: patts.us
<http://patts.us> (Arizona, US) chat.jpunix.net
<http://chat.jpunix.net> (California, US)\

I believe that jabber,org is pretty reliable as well. They've been
around forever as I remember.

Anthony

- --
Anthony Papillion
Phone: 1.918.533.9699
SIP: 17772098750@in.callcentric.com
XMPP: cypherpunk@patts.us

www.cajuntechie.org
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#10

Urggh! What planet are you people living on??

For most humans, anything harder than next-next-finish is too complicated.
Configuring a router? Forget about it! And that's before the fact that many
(most?) ISPs forbid running servers in their TOS. And that's before the
fact that a server has to be up 24/7 for it to be useful for everyday use
which means dedicated hardware and redundancy and backups. Oh, and you also
need to register a domain and obtain a reputable SSL certificate. A good,
stable server is a ton of work which goes beyond mere computer proficiency.


#11

What is your opinion based on?

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On 10 Aug 2013, at 13:02, Ansis Māliņš wrote:

IMHO you're grossly overestimating the amount of people capable of running own STABLE servers.


#12

In that case, go ahead and make a change. Write docs, etc. ...

If only few people can contribute to the network, the XMPP community has failed in that regard. Go fix it :)!

-nik

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IMHO you're grossly overestimating the amount of people capable of
running
own STABLE servers.

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#13

Hi,

every single user running their own server is non-sense and noone ever proposed that.

It is the responsibility of every hacker who is able to run a server to do so and offer the service to friends and family.

The community of federated XMPP server providers is essentially a web of trust.

-nik

"Ansis Māliņš" <ansis.malins@gmail.com> schrieb:

···

Urggh! What planet are you people living on??

For most humans, anything harder than next-next-finish is too
complicated.
Configuring a router? Forget about it! And that's before the fact that
many
(most?) ISPs forbid running servers in their TOS. And that's before the
fact that a server has to be up 24/7 for it to be useful for everyday
use
which means dedicated hardware and redundancy and backups. Oh, and you
also
need to register a domain and obtain a reputable SSL certificate. A
good,
stable server is a ton of work which goes beyond mere computer
proficiency.

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#14

Not really sure how this is meant to work but would each user be
running Openfire alongside Jitsi? If I set up my own server running on
my PC and users have to connect to me via that (and likewise for my
contacts) then wouldn't that essentially be the same as users making
direct connections to each other and if that's the case, isn't there a
simpler method to do that without having to install and setup the
server (or perhaps a server could be integrated into Jitsi)? I guess
we'd also have to setup a Dynamic DNS address for others to be able to
connect to our server and chat with us.

I just setup two accounts on jabberd.eu http://jabberd.eu/ but half an
hour later, I still can't login to either of them for some reason. I'm
using username@jabberd.eu and the password they e-mailed me. They
don't seem to have a way to change the password on their website, so I
don't think I'll keep using them anyway as I don't like using
passwords that have been sent over unsecured e-mail.

If the server you chose supports changing the password via XMPP, you can do
so by editing the account.

I'll try creating a jabber.ccc.de account using Jitsi, as that lets me
choose my own password it seems. I noticed that if I click on Advanced
in the Add New Account dialog, it doesn't carry over any of the
details I've already entered and then clicking Back doesn't go back to
the Simple dialog but closes it completely, losing anything I've
already entered, so that could work better.

After entering the details in the Simple Dialog to create a
jabber.ccc.de account, the window shrunk and it's crashed (busy icon,
can't close the window). After killing Jitsi and restarting, this time
I got an error "No user ID provided". I tried again, using the
Advanced dialog this time and manually setting the server to
jabber.ccc.de and this time got a Null error and this

java.lang.NullPointerException
[...]

I just committed a couple of patches for the XMPP account panel. They should
be available with the next nightly build (probably #4790), let us know if
this solves the issues with creating new accounts.

Ingo


#15

this is a bit out of the scope of the jitsi project i guess

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Am 10.08.2013 16:49, schrieb Derek Moss:

Not really sure how this is meant to work but would each user be
running Openfire alongside Jitsi? If I set up my own server running
on my PC and users have to connect to me via that (and likewise for
my contacts) then wouldn't that essentially be the same as users
making direct connections to each other and if that's the case,
isn't there a simpler method to do that without having to install
and setup the server (or perhaps a server could be integrated into
Jitsi)? I guess we'd also have to setup a Dynamic DNS address for
others to be able to connect to our server and chat with us.


#16

@ Mr Smith, using Pidgin, I just noticed my account at jit.si is functioning again.
I also opened accounts at chat.jpunix.net and patts.us

Hi Derek,

I find at the moment JITSI has some problems with signing up new accounts.
Ingo has made some patchs that may take effect with build 4790 and resolve
this problem.

As far as XMPP servers are concerned, JITSI offers a large selection of them.
I can confirm that jabber.ccc.de is a server that funtions and is operated by a
young, idealistic group of good hackers.
You may also try swissjabber.ch
At this instant of time, I would suggest using Pidgin to create new accounts.
Having lots of problems doing this with JITSI.

When creating an account and then later clicking the advanced button, all
entered data for this account is lost. This is a known JITSI bug.

It you leave your computer on 24h per day, you could install an XMPP server on
it. Incorporating an XMPP server into JITSI makes no sense at all.

One suggestion if you want to have your own server, is to buy a credit-card-
sized computer called Raspberry Pi for $25. This project was created in
order that young people would be able to afford to buy a computer and learn
Linux and programming. It has no input devices so you must connect it to
a TV or monitor with HDMI as well as a USB keyboard and mouse.
The Raspberry Pi has become so popular that there are howto's about
everything Pi all over the Inet. The RPi has some advantages:
* very inexpensive
* chance for old brains to learn new tricks
* very low power consumption of about 2 Watts, which is very interesting for
    continuous server operation.
* not so many problems with viruses and trojans and built-in backdoors as WIN

Although it has limited muscle, it is more than powerful enough to surf, write
emails, and run an XMPP and.or SIP server at the same time.

I fired it up with a bluetooth dongle for an external keyboard and while getting it
to function, I learned a lot about Linux bluetooth configuration. DuckDuckGo
and IXquick are your best friends.

OpenFire and ejabberd are both good servers with experimental jingle relay
nodes.

Either make your own server or use a server from someone else. Or both.

Regards, Earl

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On 10/08/2013 16:49, Derek Moss wrote:

Not really sure how this is meant to work but would each user be
running Openfire alongside Jitsi? If I set up my own server running on
my PC and users have to connect to me via that (and likewise for my
contacts) then wouldn't that essentially be the same as users making
direct connections to each other and if that's the case, isn't there a
simpler method to do that without having to install and setup the
server (or perhaps a server could be integrated into Jitsi)? I guess
we'd also have to setup a Dynamic DNS address for others to be able to
connect to our server and chat with us.

I just setup two accounts on jabberd.eu http://jabberd.eu/ but half an
hour later, I still can't login to either of them for some reason. I'm
using username@jabberd.eu and the password they e-mailed me. They
don't seem to have a way to change the password on their website, so I
don't think I'll keep using them anyway as I don't like using
passwords that have been sent over unsecured e-mail.

I'll try creating a jabber.ccc.de account using Jitsi, as that lets me
choose my own password it seems. I noticed that if I click on Advanced
in the Add New Account dialog, it doesn't carry over any of the
details I've already entered and then clicking Back doesn't go back to
the Simple dialog but closes it completely, losing anything I've
already entered, so that could work better.

After entering the details in the Simple Dialog to create a
jabber.ccc.de account, the window shrunk and it's crashed (busy icon,
can't close the window). After killing Jitsi and restarting, this time
I got an error "No user ID provided". I tried again, using the
Advanced dialog this time and manually setting the server to
jabber.ccc.de and this time got a Null error and this

java.lang.NullPointerException
  at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.JabberAccountCreationForm.showErrorMessage(JabberAccountCreationForm.java:277)
  at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.JabberAccountCreationForm.createJabberAccount(JabberAccountCreationForm.java:182)
  at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.JabberAccountCreationForm.createAccount(JabberAccountCreationForm.java:205)
  at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.JabberAccountRegistrationForm.commitPage(JabberAccountRegistrationForm.java:262)
  at net.java.sip.communicator.plugin.jabberaccregwizz.FirstWizardPage.commitPage(FirstWizardPage.java:121)
  at net.java.sip.communicator.impl.gui.customcontrols.wizard.WizardController$PageCommitThread.run(WizardController.java:145)

On 10 August 2013 15:24, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb <ei8fdb@ei8fdb.org> wrote:

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You can run your own. It is not very difficult. Openfire is a reasonably user friendly experience.

http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/

The only "technical" bit might be configuring you're home broadband router to allow external access, if you need. Also for static IP address, or dynamic DNS services.

Also jabber.ccc.de is a pretty stable server.

Hope that helps,
Bernard

On 10 Aug 2013, at 11:21, Anthony Papillion wrote:

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On 08/10/2013 04:47 AM, Ansis M?li?? wrote:

Jit.si doesn't appear to be meant for daily usage. Please list
your favorite public XMPP servers that are stable and provide all
the stuff Jitsi needs for audio and video calls to work.

Non-US servers preferred.

Previously mentioned in the mailing list: patts.us
<http://patts.us> (Arizona, US) chat.jpunix.net
<http://chat.jpunix.net> (California, US)\

I believe that jabber,org is pretty reliable as well. They've been
around forever as I remember.

Anthony

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Phone: 1.918.533.9699
SIP: 17772098750@in.callcentric.com
XMPP: cypherpunk@patts.us

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#17

Thanks, I'll let you know how it goes with the new build.

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If the server you chose supports changing the password via XMPP, you can do
so by editing the account.

I just committed a couple of patches for the XMPP account panel. They should
be available with the next nightly build (probably #4790), let us know if
this solves the issues with creating new accounts.

Ingo


#18

ei8fdb de ex st2a...

agree that setting up an xmpp server is not rocket science, we also did it and it proved reliable except for the server it is on being a cheap one but it never needed any extra maintenance of the xmpp server. agree too that it should be decentralized as possible. that said people can always find lists of public ones online via a search, and no one should complain if a free public server is unreliable. they're provided free of charge and that costs some money.

73

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On 10 Aug 2013, at 13:02, Ansis Māliņš wrote:

IMHO you're grossly overestimating the amount of people capable of running own STABLE servers.

What is your opinion based on?

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#19

agreed and in any case a stable server costs as little as under $10 a month which is online 24/7 and "most humans" do little other than consume which is why we're in this mess... thankfully "many humans" also give.

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Hi,

every single user running their own server is non-sense and noone ever proposed that.

It is the responsibility of every hacker who is able to run a server to do so and offer the service to friends and family.

The community of federated XMPP server providers is essentially a web of trust.

-nik

"Ansis Māliņš" <ansis.malins@gmail.com> schrieb:

    Urggh! What planet are you people living on??

    For most humans, anything harder than next-next-finish is too complicated. Configuring a router? Forget about it! And that's before the fact that many (most?) ISPs forbid running servers in their TOS. And that's before the fact that a server has to be up 24/7 for it to be useful for everyday use which means dedicated hardware and redundancy and backups. Oh, and you also need to register a domain and obtain a reputable SSL certificate. A good, stable server is a ton of work which goes beyond mere computer proficiency.

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#20

My arguments apply to hackers too except in their case they're too busy on
other projects.

Please think about the big picture. Tinkering with home servers is great
fun, but it won't win us the war against the NSA. We need to out-Skype
Skype. Every bit of configuration we have to do that they don't, we fall
behind.

If you guys want me, or any other hacker who's not already focused on XMPP,
to run a server, make it easy for us. The documentation section on the
website does not have a subsection for (would be) server operators. What
are the Jitsi-optimal software packages and their settings?