[jitsi-users] Ubuntu users can not access chat window when messaged


#1

Hello

I have many users on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS running Jitsi 2.8 and users are having a problems

If a person has jitsi running but no Chat window open and some other person message them, they will see the message in the notification message box but the chat window never appear. If the person double click on the jitsi icon in the Unity launcher two thing may happen 1) the chat window will pop up and then minimize in a split second never accessible 2) the chatwindow never appear.

If the person has the jitsi running with chat window (to any person) open there is no problem accessing chat window

Sometimes to fix we can 1) quit and restart jitsi 2) delete ~/.jitsi but this will not always work reliable

Can any jitsi user help in fixing this problem?

))JD


#2

I have many users on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS running Jitsi 2.8 and users are
having a problems

If a person has jitsi running but no Chat window open and some other
person message them, they will see the message in the notification
message box but the chat window never appear. If the person double
click on the jitsi icon in the Unity launcher two thing may happen 1)
the chat window will pop up and then minimize in a split second never
accessible 2) the chatwindow never appear.

If the person has the jitsi running with chat window (to any person)
open there is no problem accessing chat window

I've seen something similar on Windows: when a message comes in the chat window opens minimized (as intended), but it cannot be opened by clicking on it in the taskbar. The only possibility to show it is by right-clicking and select restore. I wonder if the Ubuntu issue is related?

Sometimes to fix we can 1) quit and restart jitsi 2) delete ~/.jitsi
but this will not always work reliable

1) might actually work, but 2) would only help if the situation would be caused by the window placement code and saved coordinates. That in turn would only cause an issue if the screen resolution has been changed since the window was last shown.

Can any jitsi user help in fixing this problem?

))JD

Ingo


#3

I've seen something similar on Windows: when a message comes in the
chat window opens minimized (as intended), but it cannot be opened by
clicking on it in the taskbar. The only possibility to show it is by
right-clicking and select restore. I wonder if the Ubuntu issue is
related?

It sounds very similar except in Ubuntu you can not restore the window.

Sometimes to fix we can 1) quit and restart jitsi 2) delete ~/.jitsi
but this will not always work reliable

1) might actually work, but 2) would only help if the situation would
be caused by the window placement code and saved coordinates. That in
turn would only cause an issue if the screen resolution has been
changed since the window was last shown.

An update.

#1 works some of the time but for a couple of clients it is a permanent problem, if someone messages them first they can never get chat window

#2 I think it might have just got lucky, it is not a reliable or even usable solution.

One thing that seem to help at moment is to enable "Bring chat window to front" but the people who have set this find it very invasive and can accidentally type into chat window.

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On 2015-04-02 08:48, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:


#4

Is someone else experiencing this and able to reliably reproduce it?

Ingo

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On 2015-04-02 08:48, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

I've seen something similar on Windows: when a message comes in the
chat window opens minimized (as intended), but it cannot be opened by
clicking on it in the taskbar. The only possibility to show it is by
right-clicking and select restore. I wonder if the Ubuntu issue is
related?

It sounds very similar except in Ubuntu you can not restore the window.


#5

I have one person where it is nearly consistent. It just now happen to me too.
One thing I see was when I right click the jitsi icon in Ubuntu Launcher it registerd the chat window as "Win38" instead of the persons name who is chatting to me if it works proper. Looking in ~/jitsi/log/jitsi0.log.* there is nothing to this issue.

Is there anything i can supply or do to help get to bottom of problem

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On 2015-04-03 10:24, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

It sounds very similar except in Ubuntu you can not restore the window.

Is someone else experiencing this and able to reliably reproduce it?


#6

As I understand it, this happens in Unity, right?

I haven't worked in Unity for a while. Do you have the systray icon
available and can you right-click on it to choose menu option
"show"/"hide" depending on the state. Does that behave differently then
just clicking the task?

Danny

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On 09-04-15 22:39, Jackson D wrote:

On 2015-04-03 10:24, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

It sounds very similar except in Ubuntu you can not restore the window.

Is someone else experiencing this and able to reliably reproduce it?

I have one person where it is nearly consistent. It just now happen
to me too.
One thing I see was when I right click the jitsi icon in Ubuntu
Launcher it registerd the chat window as "Win38" instead of the
persons name who is chatting to me if it works proper. Looking in
~/jitsi/log/jitsi0.log.* there is nothing to this issue.

Is there anything i can supply or do to help get to bottom of problem

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#7

Hey Danny, Yes this is happening on Ubuntu 12.04-14.04 with Unity.

The jitsi icon is visible in the top menu bar in unity (as well as launcher). The show / hide menu option only interacts with the contact list window.

When the problem happens, double click the jitsi icon in either launcher or top menu bar just show the contact list.

When jitsi works properly, double click the jitsi icon in launcher shows contact list and chat window, double click jitsi icon in top menu bar just shows contact list.

···

On 2015-04-09 20:48, Danny van Heumen wrote:

As I understand it, this happens in Unity, right?

I haven't worked in Unity for a while. Do you have the systray icon
available and can you right-click on it to choose menu option
"show"/"hide" depending on the state. Does that behave differently then
just clicking the task?


#8

As I understand it, this happens in Unity, right?

I haven't worked in Unity for a while. Do you have the systray icon
available and can you right-click on it to choose menu option
"show"/"hide" depending on the state. Does that behave differently then
just clicking the task?

Hey Danny, Yes this is happening on Ubuntu 12.04-14.04 with Unity.

Can you please take a look at the Java version you're using?

The jitsi icon is visible in the top menu bar in unity (as well as
launcher). The show / hide menu option only interacts with the contact
list window.

When the problem happens, double click the jitsi icon in either
launcher or top menu bar just show the contact list.

When jitsi works properly, double click the jitsi icon in launcher shows
contact list and chat window, double click jitsi icon in top menu bar
just shows contact list.

I don't think that the tray icon (and it's well known issues on Linux) are related to this specific problem.

Ingo

···

On 2015-04-09 20:48, Danny van Heumen wrote:


#9

Good night Ingo.

Here you can see what JRE I have install. This is standard over all users computer.

On Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii default-jre 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime
ii default-jre-headless 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime (headless)
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

On Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

···

On 2015-04-09 21:46, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Can you please take a look at the Java version you're using?


#10

Some additional issues I have notice that could be related.

Jitsi looks like it is interfering with user interaction in Unity/Ubuntu.

e.g.

* Use opens nautilus and tries to click folder to open it. The jitsi emoticons flash up for a second and vanish again.
* User opens keepassX and tries to click on a group, it is not clickable.

As soon as you quit jitsi these problem go away.

What can be done to fix this to resolve?

···

On 2015-04-10 07:49, Jackson D wrote:

On 2015-04-09 21:46, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Can you please take a look at the Java version you're using?

Good night Ingo.

Here you can see what JRE I have install. This is standard over all
users computer.

On Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii default-jre 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime
ii default-jre-headless 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime (headless)
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

On Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 Alternative JVM for
OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java runtime,
using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

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#11

Good day.

Some new behavior I am see, on Ubuntu 14.04 quite many time, when the chat window problem as I describe below happens, it also steal input focus so any typing you do ends up at jitsi chat window.

This can be very dangerous and the only way to regain control of typing is to quit jitsi and restart.

¬¬JD

···

On 2015-04-21 20:21, Jackson D wrote:

Some additional issues I have notice that could be related.

Jitsi looks like it is interfering with user interaction in Unity/Ubuntu.

e.g.

* Use opens nautilus and tries to click folder to open it. The jitsi
emoticons flash up for a second and vanish again.
* User opens keepassX and tries to click on a group, it is not clickable.

As soon as you quit jitsi these problem go away.

What can be done to fix this to resolve?

On 2015-04-10 07:49, Jackson D wrote:

On 2015-04-09 21:46, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Can you please take a look at the Java version you're using?

Good night Ingo.

Here you can see what JRE I have install. This is standard over all
users computer.

On Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii default-jre 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime
ii default-jre-headless 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime (headless)
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

On Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 Alternative JVM for
OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java runtime,
using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

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#12

It look like discussion has died, should I just file a github ticket?

¬¬JD

···

On 2015-05-11 14:18, Jackson D wrote:

Good day.

Some new behavior I am see, on Ubuntu 14.04 quite many time, when the
chat window problem as I describe below happens, it also steal input
focus so any typing you do ends up at jitsi chat window.

This can be very dangerous and the only way to regain control of
typing is to quit jitsi and restart.

¬¬JD

On 2015-04-21 20:21, Jackson D wrote:

Some additional issues I have notice that could be related.

Jitsi looks like it is interfering with user interaction in Unity/Ubuntu.

e.g.

* Use opens nautilus and tries to click folder to open it. The jitsi
emoticons flash up for a second and vanish again.
* User opens keepassX and tries to click on a group, it is not clickable.

As soon as you quit jitsi these problem go away.

What can be done to fix this to resolve?

On 2015-04-10 07:49, Jackson D wrote:

On 2015-04-09 21:46, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Can you please take a look at the Java version you're using?

Good night Ingo.

Here you can see what JRE I have install. This is standard over all
users computer.

On Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii default-jre 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime
ii default-jre-headless 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime (headless)
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

On Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 Alternative JVM for
OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java runtime,
using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)


#13

Hi JD,

Please do. I don't have an answer ready for your issue, but given the
ways in which Unity differs from other window managers, I can imagine
that the things you describe happen. I'm not quite sure of how it is
affecting the focus and capturing keystrokes, but that doesn't matter.

Can you also refer to this email thread when you create the github ticket?
For convenience, here is a link to it in the mail archives:
http://lists.jitsi.org/pipermail/users/2015-May/009426.html

Kind regards,
Danny

···

On 19-05-15 16:45, Jackson D wrote:

It look like discussion has died, should I just file a github ticket?

¬¬JD

On 2015-05-11 14:18, Jackson D wrote:

Good day.

Some new behavior I am see, on Ubuntu 14.04 quite many time, when the
chat window problem as I describe below happens, it also steal input
focus so any typing you do ends up at jitsi chat window.

This can be very dangerous and the only way to regain control of
typing is to quit jitsi and restart.

¬¬JD

On 2015-04-21 20:21, Jackson D wrote:

Some additional issues I have notice that could be related.

Jitsi looks like it is interfering with user interaction in
Unity/Ubuntu.

e.g.

* Use opens nautilus and tries to click folder to open it. The jitsi
emoticons flash up for a second and vanish again.
* User opens keepassX and tries to click on a group, it is not
clickable.

As soon as you quit jitsi these problem go away.

What can be done to fix this to resolve?

On 2015-04-10 07:49, Jackson D wrote:

On 2015-04-09 21:46, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Can you please take a look at the Java version you're using?

Good night Ingo.

Here you can see what JRE I have install. This is standard over all
users computer.

On Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii default-jre 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime
ii default-jre-headless 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime (headless)
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

On Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 Alternative JVM for
OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java runtime,
using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

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#14

I also use ubuntu 14.04 (but with KDE, not Unity) and I have a similar problem where jitsi steals input focus. I do not and have never used chat.

In my scenario I'm using 6 Virtual Desktops. jitsi is in one of them. Everything is fine until I inititate or answer a call (all of which come from PSTN and SIP if it matters). The problem actually occurs if the other side hangs up, with me not touching jitsi at all - if I click the hangup button then everything is fine.

However, I do switch VDs during the active call, so the hangup occurs while I'm in a different VD. As soon as the call ends, the keyboard is no longer focused on whatever window I was in. I have to switch back to the VD jitsi is running in, and click on jitsi to get the keyboard back.

···

On 05/19/2015 01:29 PM, Danny van Heumen wrote:

Hi JD,

Please do. I don't have an answer ready for your issue, but given the
ways in which Unity differs from other window managers, I can imagine
that the things you describe happen. I'm not quite sure of how it is
affecting the focus and capturing keystrokes, but that doesn't matter.

Can you also refer to this email thread when you create the github ticket?
For convenience, here is a link to it in the mail archives:
http://lists.jitsi.org/pipermail/users/2015-May/009426.html

Kind regards,
Danny

On 19-05-15 16:45, Jackson D wrote:

It look like discussion has died, should I just file a github ticket?

¬¬JD

On 2015-05-11 14:18, Jackson D wrote:

Good day.

Some new behavior I am see, on Ubuntu 14.04 quite many time, when the
chat window problem as I describe below happens, it also steal input
focus so any typing you do ends up at jitsi chat window.

This can be very dangerous and the only way to regain control of
typing is to quit jitsi and restart.

¬¬JD

On 2015-04-21 20:21, Jackson D wrote:

Some additional issues I have notice that could be related.

Jitsi looks like it is interfering with user interaction in
Unity/Ubuntu.

e.g.

* Use opens nautilus and tries to click folder to open it. The jitsi
emoticons flash up for a second and vanish again.
* User opens keepassX and tries to click on a group, it is not
clickable.

As soon as you quit jitsi these problem go away.

What can be done to fix this to resolve?

On 2015-04-10 07:49, Jackson D wrote:

On 2015-04-09 21:46, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Can you please take a look at the Java version you're using?

Good night Ingo.

Here you can see what JRE I have install. This is standard over all
users computer.

On Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii default-jre 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime
ii default-jre-headless 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime (headless)
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

On Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 Alternative JVM for
OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java runtime,
using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

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#15

Hello A

I have created a github ticket, perhaps you could add your experience to it?

https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi/issues/123

···

On 2015-05-20 06:28, A wrote:

I also use ubuntu 14.04 (but with KDE, not Unity) and I have a
similar problem where jitsi steals input focus. I do not and have
never used chat.

In my scenario I'm using 6 Virtual Desktops. jitsi is in one of
them. Everything is fine until I inititate or answer a call (all of
which come from PSTN and SIP if it matters). The problem actually
occurs if the other side hangs up, with me not touching jitsi at all -
if I click the hangup button then everything is fine.

However, I do switch VDs during the active call, so the hangup occurs
while I'm in a different VD. As soon as the call ends, the keyboard
is no longer focused on whatever window I was in. I have to switch
back to the VD jitsi is running in, and click on jitsi to get the
keyboard back.

On 05/19/2015 01:29 PM, Danny van Heumen wrote:

Hi JD,

Please do. I don't have an answer ready for your issue, but given
the
ways in which Unity differs from other window managers, I can
imagine
that the things you describe happen. I'm not quite sure of how it is
affecting the focus and capturing keystrokes, but that doesn't
matter.

Can you also refer to this email thread when you create the github
ticket?
For convenience, here is a link to it in the mail archives:
http://lists.jitsi.org/pipermail/users/2015-May/009426.html [1]

Kind regards,
Danny

On 19-05-15 16:45, Jackson D wrote:

It look like discussion has died, should I just file a github
ticket?

¬¬JD

On 2015-05-11 14:18, Jackson D wrote:

Good day.

Some new behavior I am see, on Ubuntu 14.04 quite many time, when
the
chat window problem as I describe below happens, it also steal input
focus so any typing you do ends up at jitsi chat window.

This can be very dangerous and the only way to regain control of
typing is to quit jitsi and restart.

¬¬JD

On 2015-04-21 20:21, Jackson D wrote:

Some additional issues I have notice that could be related.

Jitsi looks like it is interfering with user interaction in
Unity/Ubuntu.

e.g.

* Use opens nautilus and tries to click folder to open it. The jitsi
emoticons flash up for a second and vanish again.
* User opens keepassX and tries to click on a group, it is not
clickable.

As soon as you quit jitsi these problem go away.

What can be done to fix this to resolve?

On 2015-04-10 07:49, Jackson D wrote:

On 2015-04-09 21:46, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Can you please take a look at the Java version you're using?

Good night Ingo.

Here you can see what JRE I have install. This is standard over all
users computer.

On Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii default-jre 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime
ii default-jre-headless 2:1.7-51 amd64 Standard Java or Java
compatible Runtime (headless)
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless:amd64 7u75-2.5.4-1~trusty1 amd64
OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

On Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS

$ dpkg -l | grep -i jre
ii icedtea-7-jre-jamvm 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 Alternative JVM for
OpenJDK, using JamVM
ii openjdk-7-jre 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java runtime,
using Hotspot JIT
ii openjdk-7-jre-headless 7u75-2.5.4-1~precise1 OpenJDK Java
runtime, using Hotspot JIT (headless)

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