[jitsi-users] Set up question


#1

Hi,
I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people. Can someone please tell me how I may do this as there are no instructions on the site? I do NOT wish to sign up with a Facebook, Google, AOL, or Yahoo account, this kind of defeats the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy don't you think? Can't I just create a user name like on Skype?

Thanks,
T.B.


#2

Hi,
I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people. Can
someone please tell me how I may do this as there are no instructions
on the site? I do NOT wish to sign up with a Facebook, Google, AOL, or
Yahoo account, this kind of defeats the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy
don't you think? Can't I just create a user name like on Skype?

Thanks,
T.B.

Hi T.R.B.

I didn't want to sign in the way you don't want !

Just register on jabber an <jourNickname>@jabber.org

Jitsi menu preferences account add

Regards

Johannes

···

Am 25.06.13 21:03, schrieb T.R.B.:

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#3

You may also want to try http://jit.si

That's a service we maintain and that generally works with Jitsi (we provide no support guarantees though ... it's all on best effort :wink: )

Emil

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On 25.06.13, 21:52, Johannes Rasche wrote:

Am 25.06.13 21:03, schrieb T.R.B.:

Hi,
I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people. Can
someone please tell me how I may do this as there are no instructions
on the site? I do NOT wish to sign up with a Facebook, Google, AOL, or
Yahoo account, this kind of defeats the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy
don't you think? Can't I just create a user name like on Skype?

Thanks,
T.B.

Hi T.R.B.

I didn't want to sign in the way you don't want !

Just register on jabber an <jourNickname>@jabber.org

Jitsi menu preferences account add

Regards

Johannes

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#4

Thank you Johannes,
I will look and see if I can find this. I already set up an account but they want me to choose from; google, AIM, yahoo, etc., Don't want to go that route. Hope I can still sign up as you suggest.
Tim

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On 6/25/13 3:52 PM, Johannes Rasche wrote:

Am 25.06.13 21:03, schrieb T.R.B.:

Hi,
I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people. Can someone please tell me how I may do this as there are no instructions on the site? I do NOT wish to sign up with a Facebook, Google, AOL, or Yahoo account, this kind of defeats the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy don't you think? Can't I just create a user name like on Skype?

Thanks,
T.B.

Hi T.R.B.

I didn't want to sign in the way you don't want !

Just register on jabber an <jourNickname>@jabber.org

Jitsi menu preferences account add

Regards

Johannes

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#5

Trb,

I don't know what you're confused about... You simply go to jit.si and
fill out the simple questions. I don't know why you expect to have a user
account by simply downloading software... Even wind Skype, you download
the software and then create an account.

Other people won't NEED a jit.si account to talk with you but they will
need a xmpp (aka jabber) account to chat with you.

Chat with me once you have an account jungleboogie@jit.si

···

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On Jun 25, 2013 10:25 PM, "T.R.B." <winstonoboogie99@aol.com> wrote:

Thank you Johannes,
I will look and see if I can find this. I already set up an account but
they want me to choose from; google, AIM, yahoo, etc., Don't want to go
that route. Hope I can still sign up as you suggest.
Tim

On 6/25/13 3:52 PM, Johannes Rasche wrote:

Am 25.06.13 21:03, schrieb T.R.B.:

Hi,
I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people. Can someone
please tell me how I may do this as there are no instructions on the site?
I do NOT wish to sign up with a Facebook, Google, AOL, or Yahoo account,
this kind of defeats the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy don't you think?
Can't I just create a user name like on Skype?

Thanks,
T.B.

Hi T.R.B.

I didn't want to sign in the way you don't want !

Just register on jabber an <jourNickname>@jabber.org

Jitsi menu preferences account add

Regards

Johannes

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#6

HI Emil,
This should be so simple, why is it so damned complicated?

I created an account, but what good is it; I still don't know how to get on and connect with people. I should already have a user name and that's the end of the story. NO! You need to select; Yahoo, Google, AIM, blah, blah, blah. I wish to use NONE of them, I don't not need my privacy violated. This is the whole point of my coming here, someone told me it's not like Skype. However skype is easy to set up and to invite people, not with jitsi apparently.

Thanks,
TB

···

On 6/25/13 4:05 PM, Emil Ivov wrote:

You may also want to try http://jit.si

That's a service we maintain and that generally works with Jitsi (we provide no support guarantees though ... it's all on best effort :wink: )

Emil

On 25.06.13, 21:52, Johannes Rasche wrote:

Am 25.06.13 21:03, schrieb T.R.B.:

Hi,
I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people. Can
someone please tell me how I may do this as there are no instructions
on the site? I do NOT wish to sign up with a Facebook, Google, AOL, or
Yahoo account, this kind of defeats the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy
don't you think? Can't I just create a user name like on Skype?

Thanks,
T.B.

Hi T.R.B.

I didn't want to sign in the way you don't want !

Just register on jabber an <jourNickname>@jabber.org

Jitsi menu preferences account add

Regards

Johannes

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#7

I have tried for the past 1/2 hour to set up an account on that page and after the stupid character recognition test, it continuously tells me" ??registration.signup.user_exist???

Ok, I'll bite, what's that mean?

Here's what's already been done:

1. I downloaded and installed the software
2. Got confirmation on "mailing list subscription something or other," but to be clear THAT is not an account, right?
3. Then I got a link and was sent to a page to gives me options that I don't want to use because they are transparent to spooks; google, yahoo, AIM.

No one seems to be able to tell me how I just put in ONE of my e-mail accounts that are not aol, yahoo, or google-CIA-spooked, create a user name and start using this thing. I have no idea what SIP means.

A simple tutorial would end all this in two seconds.

This is what I am bugged about.

It doesn't like the way I type in the weird words at the bottom? put a space between the two words? Something is screwed. I don't get it.

Thanks
TRB

···

On 6/26/13 1:52 AM, Jungle Boogie wrote:

Trb,

I don't know what you're confused about... You simply go to jit.si <http://jit.si> and fill out the simple questions. I don't know why you expect to have a user account by simply downloading software... Even wind Skype, you download the software and then create an account.

Other people won't NEED a jit.si <http://jit.si> account to talk with you but they will need a xmpp (aka jabber) account to chat with you.

Chat with me once you have an account jungleboogie@jit.si <mailto:jungleboogie@jit.si>

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inum: +883510009902611

On Jun 25, 2013 10:25 PM, "T.R.B." <winstonoboogie99@aol.com > <mailto:winstonoboogie99@aol.com>> wrote:

    Thank you Johannes,
    I will look and see if I can find this. I already set up an
    account but they want me to choose from; google, AIM, yahoo, etc.,
    Don't want to go that route. Hope I can still sign up as you suggest.
    Tim

    On 6/25/13 3:52 PM, Johannes Rasche wrote:

    Am 25.06.13 21:03, schrieb T.R.B.:

    Hi,
    I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people.
    Can someone please tell me how I may do this as there are no
    instructions on the site? I do NOT wish to sign up with a
    Facebook, Google, AOL, or Yahoo account, this kind of defeats
    the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy don't you think? Can't I just
    create a user name like on Skype?

    Thanks,
    T.B.

    Hi T.R.B.

    I didn't want to sign in the way you don't want !

    Just register on jabber an <jourNickname>@jabber.org
    <http://jabber.org>

    Jitsi menu preferences account add

    Regards

    Johannes

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#8

Trb,

The error indicates the user ID you're attempting to create already exists.
Just like I'm not able to sign up with your email address because it's
already in use so create an account with a different user name. Take your
time reading the letters and if you continue to have problems, ask someone
in your area for assistance so they can read the letters to you.

The mailing list you're on now has nothing to do with being able to chat
with people in real time, aka, instant message.

Good luck,
Jungle boogie

···

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inum: +883510009902611
On Jun 25, 2013 11:20 PM, "T.R.B." <winstonoboogie99@aol.com> wrote:

I have tried for the past 1/2 hour to set up an account on that page and
after the stupid character recognition test, it continuously tells me"
??registration.signup.user_exist???

Ok, I'll bite, what's that mean?

Here's what's already been done:

1. I downloaded and installed the software
2. Got confirmation on "mailing list subscription something or other," but
to be clear THAT is not an account, right?
3. Then I got a link and was sent to a page to gives me options that I
don't want to use because they are transparent to spooks; google, yahoo,
AIM.

No one seems to be able to tell me how I just put in ONE of my e-mail
accounts that are not aol, yahoo, or google-CIA-spooked, create a user name
and start using this thing. I have no idea what SIP means.

A simple tutorial would end all this in two seconds.

This is what I am bugged about.

It doesn't like the way I type in the weird words at the bottom? put a
space between the two words? Something is screwed. I don't get it.

Thanks
TRB

On 6/26/13 1:52 AM, Jungle Boogie wrote:

Trb,

I don't know what you're confused about... You simply go to jit.si and
fill out the simple questions. I don't know why you expect to have a user
account by simply downloading software... Even wind Skype, you download
the software and then create an account.

Other people won't NEED a jit.si account to talk with you but they will
need a xmpp (aka jabber) account to chat with you.

Chat with me once you have an account jungleboogie@jit.si

--------------
sip:jungleboogie@sip2sip.info
inum: +883510009902611
On Jun 25, 2013 10:25 PM, "T.R.B." <winstonoboogie99@aol.com> wrote:

Thank you Johannes,
I will look and see if I can find this. I already set up an account but
they want me to choose from; google, AIM, yahoo, etc., Don't want to go
that route. Hope I can still sign up as you suggest.
Tim

On 6/25/13 3:52 PM, Johannes Rasche wrote:

Am 25.06.13 21:03, schrieb T.R.B.:

Hi,
I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people. Can
someone please tell me how I may do this as there are no instructions on
the site? I do NOT wish to sign up with a Facebook, Google, AOL, or Yahoo
account, this kind of defeats the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy don't you
think? Can't I just create a user name like on Skype?

Thanks,
T.B.

Hi T.R.B.

I didn't want to sign in the way you don't want !

Just register on jabber an <jourNickname>@jabber.org

Jitsi menu preferences account add

Regards

Johannes

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#9

T.R.B.,

It sounds like you are already on the right track. My guess is
"registration.signup.user_exist" means the username you picked is
already taken. (I agree the error message should be clearer). Have you
tried a different username?

For step by step instructions on setting up a Jit.si account see:
https://jitsi.org/Documentation/SetUpJitsiAccount

A few months ago I volunteered to write documentation/tutorials in my
free time since there wasn't any written documentation when I started
using Jitsi. I had plenty of questions and frustrations when I started
and it was a way for me to help reduce the frustrations of others.
However, there is still plenty to write about so it is always helpful to
hear where people have the most difficulty, when deciding what to write
about next.

Regarding the character recognition test, I doubt anyone would say they
enjoy filling these out! However it does prevent spam robots from
signing up for all the best usernames and straining the network
resources of jit.si.

David

···

On 6/26/2013 1:17 AM, T.R.B. wrote:

I have tried for the past 1/2 hour to set up an account on that page
and after the stupid character recognition test, it continuously tells
me" ??registration.signup.user_exist???

Ok, I'll bite, what's that mean?

Here's what's already been done:

1. I downloaded and installed the software
2. Got confirmation on "mailing list subscription something or other,"
but to be clear THAT is not an account, right?
3. Then I got a link and was sent to a page to gives me options that I
don't want to use because they are transparent to spooks; google,
yahoo, AIM.

No one seems to be able to tell me how I just put in ONE of my e-mail
accounts that are not aol, yahoo, or google-CIA-spooked, create a user
name and start using this thing. I have no idea what SIP means.

A simple tutorial would end all this in two seconds.

This is what I am bugged about.

It doesn't like the way I type in the weird words at the bottom? put a
space between the two words? Something is screwed. I don't get it.

Thanks
TRB


#10

One of the great advantages of using Jitsi is that it allows you to use
encrypted chat and encrypted voice and video calls. If you use
encryption, then you don't need to worry about using a google or some
other spooked out account for your communications; your communications
will be collected by NSA, but your encrypted communications will be
unreadable gibberish to the NSA. The NSA will flag and store these
communications precisely because they are encrypted, but it won't be
able to read them.

To read them it would have to expend considerable resources in
specifically targeting you either by hacking or physically stealing your
or your correspondents' computers to get at the encryption keys used by
Jitsi or by setting up a man in the middle attack (e.g., pretending to
be the person you are communicating with). If you don't think the
government is specifically out to get you in particular, and therefore
is not likely to go to the trouble to do those things, then you should
be ok.

In my view if you want security, following the encryption route is
better than simply trying to find a third party server that is not
google/yahoo/etc. The reason is that we have learned over the last few
weeks that the NSA is collecting raw streams of data from the fiber
optic cables that serve as the backbone of the internet. This means
that NSA can read all data that is transmitted unencrypted over the
internet. And that includes any data that you send through your new
account on Jit.si or through any other service, regardless whether that
service also gives the NSA direct access to its servers.

So what's the bottom line? To protect yourself, use encryption. That
means that you need to get all your friends and correspondents to use
encryption too (you can't encrypt a communication to a friend unless the
friend is also using software that supports encryption).

Since google talk and skype and other high profile communication
software do not offer encryption, that means that you have to get your
friends to use Jitsi too. Keep your old google/etc accounts if you
wish. But use Jitsi with them so that you can encrypt your
communications through these accounts. Does that make sense?

Martin

T.R.B.:

···

I have tried for the past 1/2 hour to set up an account on that page and
after the stupid character recognition test, it continuously tells me"
??registration.signup.user_exist???

Ok, I'll bite, what's that mean?

Here's what's already been done:

1. I downloaded and installed the software
2. Got confirmation on "mailing list subscription something or other,"
but to be clear THAT is not an account, right?
3. Then I got a link and was sent to a page to gives me options that I
don't want to use because they are transparent to spooks; google, yahoo,
AIM.

No one seems to be able to tell me how I just put in ONE of my e-mail
accounts that are not aol, yahoo, or google-CIA-spooked, create a user
name and start using this thing. I have no idea what SIP means.

A simple tutorial would end all this in two seconds.

This is what I am bugged about.

It doesn't like the way I type in the weird words at the bottom? put a
space between the two words? Something is screwed. I don't get it.

Thanks
TRB

On 6/26/13 1:52 AM, Jungle Boogie wrote:

Trb,

I don't know what you're confused about... You simply go to jit.si
<http://jit.si> and fill out the simple questions. I don't know why
you expect to have a user account by simply downloading software...
Even wind Skype, you download the software and then create an account.

Other people won't NEED a jit.si <http://jit.si> account to talk with
you but they will need a xmpp (aka jabber) account to chat with you.

Chat with me once you have an account jungleboogie@jit.si
<mailto:jungleboogie@jit.si>

--------------
sip:jungleboogie@sip2sip.info <mailto:sip%3Ajungleboogie@sip2sip.info>
inum: +883510009902611

On Jun 25, 2013 10:25 PM, "T.R.B." <winstonoboogie99@aol.com >> <mailto:winstonoboogie99@aol.com>> wrote:

    Thank you Johannes,
    I will look and see if I can find this. I already set up an
    account but they want me to choose from; google, AIM, yahoo, etc.,
    Don't want to go that route. Hope I can still sign up as you suggest.
    Tim

    On 6/25/13 3:52 PM, Johannes Rasche wrote:

    Am 25.06.13 21:03, schrieb T.R.B.:

    Hi,
    I am on MAC, and wish to set up a user name and invite people.
    Can someone please tell me how I may do this as there are no
    instructions on the site? I do NOT wish to sign up with a
    Facebook, Google, AOL, or Yahoo account, this kind of defeats
    the who purpose of Jitsi's privacy don't you think? Can't I just
    create a user name like on Skype?

    Thanks,
    T.B.

    Hi T.R.B.

    I didn't want to sign in the way you don't want !

    Just register on jabber an <jourNickname>@jabber.org
    <http://jabber.org>

    Jitsi menu preferences account add

    Regards

    Johannes

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#11

Hi T.R.B.,

Firstly, some background: I'm not a Jitsi developer/maintainer, just
an end-user who doesn't like or trust Skype, and who is excited about
the Jitsi project.

It seems to me that we need to make a distinction here between
Skype-the-application and Skype-the-service. Skype-the-application
connects people using Skype-the-service. If you like the Skype
application, but don't like Skype-the-service (e.g. because you don't
want your messages travelling through the Skype servers), bad luck:
you have no other choice.

Jitsi, however, is simply an application for video/voice/text
communication. And unlike Skype, it doesn't restrict you to only one
service to use it. It doesn't /force/ you to sign up for /yet another/
account with /yet another/ service - unlike Skype. This is great for
people who are already overwhelmed by having to maintain lots of
different accounts for lots of different services - they can simply
re-use an existing account. I know lots of people who are relieved
whenever they find out they don't have to create a new username and
password in order to use a new system, and that they don't have to
spend time re-creating their contact lists, and that they don't have
to hope that other people will /also/ be willing to go through yet
another set-up process in order to use this new system. Instead, they
can simply re-use things they've already spent their time setting up.

Personally, I don't like any communication system that requires me to
trust, and rely on, a single provider. Unlike Skype, Jitsi doesn't do
that - it makes use of the XMPP and SIP standards to allow me to use
/any/ provider of XMPP[1] and/or SIP[2] services that I'm comfortable
with. The Jitsi team generously provide and maintain an XMPP server at
jit.si, which I use and have found reliable, but I certainly don't
/have/ to use it. I could use Jitsi with other XMPP providers if I
became unhappy with the jit.si service for any reason. (If, for
example, I became concerned that the maintainers of the jit.si server
weren't respecting my privacy.) In other words, the Jitsi application
enables you to protect your privacy and security by allowing you to
/choose/ which service provider you feel meets your privacy and
security needs.

It might well be that the Jitsi team could make it clearer to
first-time users that one doesn't /have/ to use an existing account
with Google, Microsoft etc., but can instead create a new account on
jit.si. But as far as I'm aware, the Jitsi team want to focus their
resources on making the Jitsi application as good as possible, rather
than trying to become yet another major provider of XMPP and SIP
services - there are already /lots/ of such providers out
there. Cross-platform alternatives to Skype-the-application, on the
other hand, are a lot rarer.

Skype is now run by a multi-billion dollar corporation that has
massive amounts of resources. I'm not sure how many members of the
Jitsi team get paid to work on Jitsi; yet they've provided me, my
family, and my friends, with a working cross-platform alternative to
Skype at no financial cost to me. I'm /very/ grateful for this! Yes,
Jitsi has bugs, and there are probably many ways Jitsi could be
improved - but that's true of any piece of software. Having been on
this mailing list for at least a couple of months now, and having read
how the Jitsi team respond to various issues that people raise, I'm
fairly confident that Jitsi will continue to get better. They
certainly seem to me to be open to constructive suggestions. Since
you've found yourself frustrated as you try to fit Jitsi to your
use-case, perhaps you might like to offer the Jitsi team some help to
possibly make it better not only for yourself, but for others in a
similar situation to you?

Alexis.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmpp
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

···

On 01:21:45 Wed 26-Jun-13, T.R.B. wrote:

HI Emil,
This should be so simple, why is it so damned complicated?

I created an account, but what good is it; I still don't know how to
get on and connect with people. I should already have a user name
and that's the end of the story. NO! You need to select; Yahoo,
Google, AIM, blah, blah, blah. I wish to use NONE of them, I don't
not need my privacy violated. This is the whole point of my coming
here, someone told me it's not like Skype. However skype is easy to
set up and to invite people, not with jitsi apparently.


#12

Thank you one and all for all your help,

After /much/ monkey business, I *believe* I have created a new account, finally. It says I am "online". I needed to go into preferences and figure out why I was still not online.

Okay, It's a bit more involved than creating a skype account, people need to know about the additional settings configurations required that don't just "occur" when you create your user name and pw in that little box., at least I had to. My concern is that the people I invite are not gonna want to go through the rigamarole, I can see some just throwing up their hands if they don't know that they must go into prefs and do further configuration, many won't know where to look.

People keep mentioning SIP and XMPP, those are brand new words to my vocabulary. What exactly are they?

TRB

···

On 6/26/13 7:24 AM, Alexis wrote:

On 01:21:45 Wed 26-Jun-13, T.R.B. wrote:

HI Emil,
This should be so simple, why is it so damned complicated?

I created an account, but what good is it; I still don't know how to
get on and connect with people. I should already have a user name
and that's the end of the story. NO! You need to select; Yahoo,
Google, AIM, blah, blah, blah. I wish to use NONE of them, I don't
not need my privacy violated. This is the whole point of my coming
here, someone told me it's not like Skype. However skype is easy to
set up and to invite people, not with jitsi apparently.

Hi T.R.B.,

Firstly, some background: I'm not a Jitsi developer/maintainer, just
an end-user who doesn't like or trust Skype, and who is excited about
the Jitsi project.

It seems to me that we need to make a distinction here between
Skype-the-application and Skype-the-service. Skype-the-application
connects people using Skype-the-service. If you like the Skype
application, but don't like Skype-the-service (e.g. because you don't
want your messages travelling through the Skype servers), bad luck:
you have no other choice.

Jitsi, however, is simply an application for video/voice/text
communication. And unlike Skype, it doesn't restrict you to only one
service to use it. It doesn't /force/ you to sign up for /yet another/
account with /yet another/ service - unlike Skype. This is great for
people who are already overwhelmed by having to maintain lots of
different accounts for lots of different services - they can simply
re-use an existing account. I know lots of people who are relieved
whenever they find out they don't have to create a new username and
password in order to use a new system, and that they don't have to
spend time re-creating their contact lists, and that they don't have
to hope that other people will /also/ be willing to go through yet
another set-up process in order to use this new system. Instead, they
can simply re-use things they've already spent their time setting up.

Personally, I don't like any communication system that requires me to
trust, and rely on, a single provider. Unlike Skype, Jitsi doesn't do
that - it makes use of the XMPP and SIP standards to allow me to use
/any/ provider of XMPP[1] and/or SIP[2] services that I'm comfortable
with. The Jitsi team generously provide and maintain an XMPP server at
jit.si, which I use and have found reliable, but I certainly don't
/have/ to use it. I could use Jitsi with other XMPP providers if I
became unhappy with the jit.si service for any reason. (If, for
example, I became concerned that the maintainers of the jit.si server
weren't respecting my privacy.) In other words, the Jitsi application
enables you to protect your privacy and security by allowing you to
/choose/ which service provider you feel meets your privacy and
security needs.

It might well be that the Jitsi team could make it clearer to
first-time users that one doesn't /have/ to use an existing account
with Google, Microsoft etc., but can instead create a new account on
jit.si. But as far as I'm aware, the Jitsi team want to focus their
resources on making the Jitsi application as good as possible, rather
than trying to become yet another major provider of XMPP and SIP
services - there are already /lots/ of such providers out
there. Cross-platform alternatives to Skype-the-application, on the
other hand, are a lot rarer.

Skype is now run by a multi-billion dollar corporation that has
massive amounts of resources. I'm not sure how many members of the
Jitsi team get paid to work on Jitsi; yet they've provided me, my
family, and my friends, with a working cross-platform alternative to
Skype at no financial cost to me. I'm /very/ grateful for this! Yes,
Jitsi has bugs, and there are probably many ways Jitsi could be
improved - but that's true of any piece of software. Having been on
this mailing list for at least a couple of months now, and having read
how the Jitsi team respond to various issues that people raise, I'm
fairly confident that Jitsi will continue to get better. They
certainly seem to me to be open to constructive suggestions. Since
you've found yourself frustrated as you try to fit Jitsi to your
use-case, perhaps you might like to offer the Jitsi team some help to
possibly make it better not only for yourself, but for others in a
similar situation to you?

Alexis.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xmpp
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

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#13

Not that Jitsi isn't wonderful and everyone should be using it but
actually people can use other apps, like Xabber or Gibberbot on
smartphones and no doubt there's PC apps other than Jitsi that support
Jabber, so if your friends are using one of those already they should
be able to use encrypted chat with you using Jitsi without them having
to install and setup another app. I've tested google to jabber
(@jit.si) chat and that works fine. I'm not sure whether other
cross-protocol chat is supported, like Yahoo to Jabber or Jabber to
sip.

Voice calls are a different matter I think as Jabber doesn't support
that. I don't think Jitsi supports voice over Jabber either though, so
not with @jit.si or other Jabber addresses and you need to use a sip
address for that. There's been a lot of discussion about Google lately
and I'm not sure if Jitsi can do voice over that still. I'm also not
sure whether it supports cross-protocol voice, i.e. google to sip or
vice-versa.

I'm not expert so any of the above might be wrong, it's just what
appears to be the case to me.

Regards

Derek

···

On 26 June 2013 13:27, Martin Guerre <fa161803398@gmail.com> wrote:

So what's the bottom line? To protect yourself, use encryption. That
means that you need to get all your friends and correspondents to use
encryption too (you can't encrypt a communication to a friend unless the
friend is also using software that supports encryption).

Since google talk and skype and other high profile communication
software do not offer encryption, that means that you have to get your
friends to use Jitsi too. Keep your old google/etc accounts if you
wish. But use Jitsi with them so that you can encrypt your
communications through these accounts. Does that make sense?

Martin


#14

Oh, yes, when I finalized my set up it said I was connected through jabber if that makes any sense. I've never heard of it.
TRB

···

On 6/26/13 8:40 AM, Derek Moss wrote:

Not that Jitsi isn't wonderful and everyone should be using it but
actually people can use other apps, like Xabber or Gibberbot on
smartphones and no doubt there's PC apps other than Jitsi that support
Jabber, so if your friends are using one of those already they should
be able to use encrypted chat with you using Jitsi without them having
to install and setup another app. I've tested google to jabber
(@jit.si) chat and that works fine. I'm not sure whether other
cross-protocol chat is supported, like Yahoo to Jabber or Jabber to
sip.

Voice calls are a different matter I think as Jabber doesn't support
that. I don't think Jitsi supports voice over Jabber either though, so
not with @jit.si or other Jabber addresses and you need to use a sip
address for that. There's been a lot of discussion about Google lately
and I'm not sure if Jitsi can do voice over that still. I'm also not
sure whether it supports cross-protocol voice, i.e. google to sip or
vice-versa.

I'm not expert so any of the above might be wrong, it's just what
appears to be the case to me.

Regards

Derek

On 26 June 2013 13:27, Martin Guerre <fa161803398@gmail.com> wrote:

So what's the bottom line? To protect yourself, use encryption. That
means that you need to get all your friends and correspondents to use
encryption too (you can't encrypt a communication to a friend unless the
friend is also using software that supports encryption).

Since google talk and skype and other high profile communication
software do not offer encryption, that means that you have to get your
friends to use Jitsi too. Keep your old google/etc accounts if you
wish. But use Jitsi with them so that you can encrypt your
communications through these accounts. Does that make sense?

Martin

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#15

Jitsi supports Audio/Video over XMPP (Jabber) !, so like with Skype you
have a single account (e.g from jit.si, jabber.org, jabber.ccc.de,
GMX.com) which you can use for secure texting and audio/video communication.

using Jitsi with Google for Audio/Video is currently working nicely but
as Google with the change to "Hangout" is dropping the support of the
open jingle protocol (Audio/Video via Jabber) and using its proprietary
protocol using GTalk for Audio/Video via Jitsi could not work in the
future. Texting with OTR should work further.
(Emil mentioned that in the dev-forums)

SIP accounts currently dont support texting with OTR encryption (only
audio/video), so if you want an "all-in-one" solution (encrypted
texting, audio and video), register to any jabber account (including
jit.si !) and use the Jitsi client (is is almost a miracle these days
that such software is existing!)

MS

···

On 6/26/13 2:40 PM, Derek Moss wrote:

Not that Jitsi isn't wonderful and everyone should be using it but
actually people can use other apps, like Xabber or Gibberbot on
smartphones and no doubt there's PC apps other than Jitsi that support
Jabber, so if your friends are using one of those already they should
be able to use encrypted chat with you using Jitsi without them having
to install and setup another app. I've tested google to jabber
(@jit.si) chat and that works fine. I'm not sure whether other
cross-protocol chat is supported, like Yahoo to Jabber or Jabber to
sip.

Voice calls are a different matter I think as Jabber doesn't support
that. I don't think Jitsi supports voice over Jabber either though, so
not with @jit.si or other Jabber addresses and you need to use a sip
address for that. There's been a lot of discussion about Google lately
and I'm not sure if Jitsi can do voice over that still. I'm also not
sure whether it supports cross-protocol voice, i.e. google to sip or
vice-versa.

I'm not expert so any of the above might be wrong, it's just what
appears to be the case to me.

Regards

Derek

On 26 June 2013 13:27, Martin Guerre <fa161803398@gmail.com> wrote:

So what's the bottom line? To protect yourself, use encryption. That
means that you need to get all your friends and correspondents to use
encryption too (you can't encrypt a communication to a friend unless the
friend is also using software that supports encryption).

Since google talk and skype and other high profile communication
software do not offer encryption, that means that you have to get your
friends to use Jitsi too. Keep your old google/etc accounts if you
wish. But use Jitsi with them so that you can encrypt your
communications through these accounts. Does that make sense?

Martin

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#16

XMPP (i.e. what used to be called 'Jabber') supports video/voice via
the 'Jingle' extension to XMPP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)

I regularly have video/voice chats with other people using my jit.si
account.

Alexis.

···

On 13:40:09 Wed 26-Jun-13, Derek Moss wrote:

Voice calls are a different matter I think as Jabber doesn't support
that. I don't think Jitsi supports voice over Jabber either though, so
not with @jit.si or other Jabber addresses and you need to use a sip
address for that.


#17

So wait a minute now, I hope I did it right. It connected me to Jabber. So I CAN talk over the NET like a PHONE, right? I am totally new to all this so forgive my ignorance.
Thanks,
TRB

···

On 6/26/13 8:50 AM, Alexis wrote:

On 13:40:09 Wed 26-Jun-13, Derek Moss wrote:

Voice calls are a different matter I think as Jabber doesn't support
that. I don't think Jitsi supports voice over Jabber either though, so
not with @jit.si or other Jabber addresses and you need to use a sip
address for that.

XMPP (i.e. what used to be called 'Jabber') supports video/voice via
the 'Jingle' extension to XMPP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)

I regularly have video/voice chats with other people using my jit.si
account.

Alexis.

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#18

Thanks Derek,
It's definitely Jitsi so, however that works is fine with me.

Is there a simple link I can sent to invite friends? I haven't found one.

TRB

···

On 6/26/13 9:33 AM, Derek Moss wrote:

Well it didn't connect you TO Jabber exactly. That's just the name of
the protocol (also called XMPP) that it's using. If you have a jit.si
account, I suppose it's connected you to the jit.si server, or if you
have a jabber.org account it's connected you to jabber.org. I hope
that makes sense.

Yes, I was mistaken before and you CAN use Jabber/XMPP to make
audio/video calls over the Net, to other Jabber users or Google users
(as Google uses XMPP anyway) at least.

Derek

On 26 June 2013 14:14, T.R.B. <winstonoboogie99@aol.com> wrote:

So wait a minute now, I hope I did it right. It connected me to Jabber. So I
CAN talk over the NET like a PHONE, right? I am totally new to all this so
forgive my ignorance.
Thanks,
TRB

On 6/26/13 8:50 AM, Alexis wrote:

On 13:40:09 Wed 26-Jun-13, Derek Moss wrote:

Voice calls are a different matter I think as Jabber doesn't support
that. I don't think Jitsi supports voice over Jabber either though, so
not with @jit.si or other Jabber addresses and you need to use a sip
address for that.

XMPP (i.e. what used to be called 'Jabber') supports video/voice via
the 'Jingle' extension to XMPP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)

I regularly have video/voice chats with other people using my jit.si
account.

Alexis.

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#19

Thanks Derek,
I'll check that out.
TRB

···

On 6/26/13 9:58 AM, Derek Moss wrote:

Yeah, just click on File - Add contact up the top and then type their
e-mail address in the "ID or Number" box.

I'm not sure exactly which accounts (Yahoo, MSN, etc) you can
text/audio from your Jabber account though (definitely google/gmail
and other Jabber accounts will work), so you might want to wait for
someone else to clarify that.

Derek

On 26 June 2013 14:51, T.R.B. <winstonoboogie99@aol.com> wrote:

Thanks Derek,
It's definitely Jitsi so, however that works is fine with me.

Is there a simple link I can sent to invite friends? I haven't found one.

TRB

On 6/26/13 9:33 AM, Derek Moss wrote:

Well it didn't connect you TO Jabber exactly. That's just the name of
the protocol (also called XMPP) that it's using. If you have a jit.si
account, I suppose it's connected you to the jit.si server, or if you
have a jabber.org account it's connected you to jabber.org. I hope
that makes sense.

Yes, I was mistaken before and you CAN use Jabber/XMPP to make
audio/video calls over the Net, to other Jabber users or Google users
(as Google uses XMPP anyway) at least.

Derek

On 26 June 2013 14:14, T.R.B. <winstonoboogie99@aol.com> wrote:

So wait a minute now, I hope I did it right. It connected me to Jabber.
So I
CAN talk over the NET like a PHONE, right? I am totally new to all this
so
forgive my ignorance.
Thanks,
TRB

On 6/26/13 8:50 AM, Alexis wrote:

On 13:40:09 Wed 26-Jun-13, Derek Moss wrote:

Voice calls are a different matter I think as Jabber doesn't support
that. I don't think Jitsi supports voice over Jabber either though, so
not with @jit.si or other Jabber addresses and you need to use a sip
address for that.

XMPP (i.e. what used to be called 'Jabber') supports video/voice via
the 'Jingle' extension to XMPP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol)

I regularly have video/voice chats with other people using my jit.si
account.

Alexis.


#20

Thanks for the clarification.

Obviously a lot of people already have google accounts, so if they
just want to use encrypted text chat then they don't need to setup a
new account.

If they want to use audio/video then, as you say, a jabber account is
the best option for future-proofing, although they could just use
their google account for now until such time as it stops working.

I'm still not sure whether all the accounts Jitsi supports, Yahoo,
AIM, Facebook, ICQ, etc (other than SIP and iptel.org) are using
Jabber or if there's additional protocols Jitsi uses other than Jabber
and SIP.

If they are all using Jabber than I guess there should be no problem
with cross-compatibility, such as a Jitsi user with a Jabber account
chatting with someone using a different client (Yahoo, AIM, MSN, etc),
albeit unencrypted, or with someone with one of those accounts using
Jitsi to enable encrypted chat. If they're using different protocols
though, I imagine that will be a problem.

The only reason I thought Google to Jabber didn't support audio/video
calls is because those options aren't available from my Jitsi with my
gmail account logged in, when selecting a jit.si contact but I guess
that could be because the contact is
logged in with Xabber on my phone, which doesn't support audio/video.

Derek

···

On 26 June 2013 13:50, Mr.Smith <mr.smith476@gmail.com> wrote:

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Jitsi supports Audio/Video over XMPP (Jabber) !, so like with Skype you
have a single account (e.g from jit.si, jabber.org, jabber.ccc.de,
GMX.com) which you can use for secure texting and audio/video communication.

using Jitsi with Google for Audio/Video is currently working nicely but
as Google with the change to "Hangout" is dropping the support of the
open jingle protocol (Audio/Video via Jabber) and using its proprietary
protocol using GTalk for Audio/Video via Jitsi could not work in the
future. Texting with OTR should work further.
(Emil mentioned that in the dev-forums)

SIP accounts currently dont support texting with OTR encryption (only
audio/video), so if you want an "all-in-one" solution (encrypted
texting, audio and video), register to any jabber account (including
jit.si !) and use the Jitsi client (is is almost a miracle these days
that such software is existing!)

MS

On 6/26/13 2:40 PM, Derek Moss wrote:

Not that Jitsi isn't wonderful and everyone should be using it but
actually people can use other apps, like Xabber or Gibberbot on
smartphones and no doubt there's PC apps other than Jitsi that support
Jabber, so if your friends are using one of those already they should
be able to use encrypted chat with you using Jitsi without them having
to install and setup another app. I've tested google to jabber
(@jit.si) chat and that works fine. I'm not sure whether other
cross-protocol chat is supported, like Yahoo to Jabber or Jabber to
sip.

Voice calls are a different matter I think as Jabber doesn't support
that. I don't think Jitsi supports voice over Jabber either though, so
not with @jit.si or other Jabber addresses and you need to use a sip
address for that. There's been a lot of discussion about Google lately
and I'm not sure if Jitsi can do voice over that still. I'm also not
sure whether it supports cross-protocol voice, i.e. google to sip or
vice-versa.

I'm not expert so any of the above might be wrong, it's just what
appears to be the case to me.

Regards

Derek

On 26 June 2013 13:27, Martin Guerre <fa161803398@gmail.com> wrote:

So what's the bottom line? To protect yourself, use encryption. That
means that you need to get all your friends and correspondents to use
encryption too (you can't encrypt a communication to a friend unless the
friend is also using software that supports encryption).

Since google talk and skype and other high profile communication
software do not offer encryption, that means that you have to get your
friends to use Jitsi too. Keep your old google/etc accounts if you
wish. But use Jitsi with them so that you can encrypt your
communications through these accounts. Does that make sense?

Martin

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