[jitsi-users] OTR not working "?OTRv2?"


#1

When we try to start a secure chat, we both get: ?OTRv2? in the chat message window. Any ideas how to get it working?


#2

Hi again,
At this point my knowledge runs out a bit. Perhaps someone else can weigh in.
For the most part the secure chat "just works" -- no configuring or fiddling really needed. You either click the lock icon or say start private conversation and your partner will usually automatically respond. You both need to be online, have OTR enabled clients, and try just having one person initiate private conversation... other than that I look to someone else to help.
Anyone else seen this? I'm mostly on Windows so is this a Linux issue?

Thanks,
Nick

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:24:40 +0930
From: BM-2DBVT9yeUEFhLR8Qg9vhqB7ZQE9Sf3gAgS@bitmessage.ch
To: bujiraso@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Bouncr: x3x] RE: [jitsi-users] OTR not working "?OTRv2?"

Yes both using desktop client 2.2 on 64 bit Linux both ends. Same client. Any ideas how to get secure chat working?

> Hi BitMessage user,
>
> If you're both using Jitsi, secure chat (OTR) generally works right out of the box.
> Are you both using the desktop client? A bit more information about your situation might help.
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
> > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:02:13 +0930
> > From: BM-2DBVT9yeUEFhLR8Qg9vhqB7ZQE9Sf3gAgS@bitmessage.ch
> > To: users@jitsi.org
> > Subject: [jitsi-users] OTR not working "?OTRv2?"
> >
> > When we try to start a secure chat, we both get: ?OTRv2? in the chat message window. Any ideas how to get it working?
> >
> >
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#3

Which client are you and your partner using? otr support is a bit
rusty in jitsi right now, could it be that jitsi does not support otr
version 2 and the other client only supports it?

- --
Yannik V�lker

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Am 27.07.2013 07:32, schrieb BitMessage:

When we try to start a secure chat, we both get: ?OTRv2? in the
chat message window. Any ideas how to get it working?


#4

Err, for clarity "say start private conversation" means "click Secure Chat in the menu bar and select Start Private Conversation"
I just wanted to correct that.

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From: bujiraso@hotmail.com
To: x3x@boun.cr; users@jitsi.org
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:01:25 -0300
Subject: Re: [jitsi-users] [Bouncr: x3x] RE: OTR not working "?OTRv2?"

Hi again,
At this point my knowledge runs out a bit. Perhaps someone else can weigh in.
For the most part the secure chat "just works" -- no configuring or fiddling really needed. You either click the lock icon or say start private conversation and your partner will usually automatically respond. You both need to be online, have OTR enabled clients, and try just having one person initiate private conversation... other than that I look to someone else to help.
Anyone else seen this? I'm mostly on Windows so is this a Linux issue?

Thanks,
Nick

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:24:40 +0930
From: BM-2DBVT9yeUEFhLR8Qg9vhqB7ZQE9Sf3gAgS@bitmessage.ch
To: bujiraso@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Bouncr: x3x] RE: [jitsi-users] OTR not working "?OTRv2?"

Yes both using desktop client 2.2 on 64 bit Linux both ends. Same client. Any ideas how to get secure chat working?

> Hi BitMessage user,
>
> If you're both using Jitsi, secure chat (OTR) generally works right out of the box.
> Are you both using the desktop client? A bit more information about your situation might help.
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
> > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:02:13 +0930
> > From: BM-2DBVT9yeUEFhLR8Qg9vhqB7ZQE9Sf3gAgS@bitmessage.ch
> > To: users@jitsi.org
> > Subject: [jitsi-users] OTR not working "?OTRv2?"
> >
> > When we try to start a secure chat, we both get: ?OTRv2? in the chat message window. Any ideas how to get it working?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > users mailing list
> > users@jitsi.org
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#5

OTR v2 in general is supported. I cannot tell anything about this specific issue, but in the past OTR issues often have been related to enconding (html and/or charsets).

Ingo

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Le 29.07.2013 à 20:11, "Yannik Völker" <yannikv@yahoo.de> a écrit :

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Am 27.07.2013 07:32, schrieb BitMessage:

When we try to start a secure chat, we both get: ?OTRv2? in the
chat message window. Any ideas how to get it working?

Which client are you and your partner using? otr support is a bit
rusty in jitsi right now, could it be that jitsi does not support otr
version 2 and the other client only supports it?

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Yannik Völker
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#6

Update: first, yes we are both using jitsi 2.2 on linux 64bit. The problem is when using iptel.org accounts. When we use patts.us accounts it works fine. Could this be because iptel.org is using SIP and not XMPP and does not provide support for secure chats? Is that the case for every SIP provider?

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Err, for clarity "say start private conversation" means "click Secure Chat in the menu bar and select Start Private Conversation"
I just wanted to correct that.

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From: bujiraso@hotmail.com
To: x3x@boun.cr; users@jitsi.org
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:01:25 -0300
Subject: Re: [jitsi-users] [Bouncr: x3x] RE: OTR not working "?OTRv2?"

Hi again,
At this point my knowledge runs out a bit. Perhaps someone else can weigh in.
For the most part the secure chat "just works" -- no configuring or fiddling really needed. You either click the lock icon or say start private conversation and your partner will usually automatically respond. You both need to be online, have OTR enabled clients, and try just having one person initiate private conversation... other than that I look to someone else to help.
Anyone else seen this? I'm mostly on Windows so is this a Linux issue?

Thanks,
Nick

> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 13:24:40 +0930
> From: BM-2DBVT9yeUEFhLR8Qg9vhqB7ZQE9Sf3gAgS@bitmessage.ch
> To: bujiraso@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Bouncr: x3x] RE: [jitsi-users] OTR not working "?OTRv2?"
>
> Yes both using desktop client 2.2 on 64 bit Linux both ends. Same client. Any ideas how to get secure chat working?
>
> > Hi BitMessage user,
> >
> > If you're both using Jitsi, secure chat (OTR) generally works right out of the box.
> > Are you both using the desktop client? A bit more information about your situation might help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:02:13 +0930
> > > From: BM-2DBVT9yeUEFhLR8Qg9vhqB7ZQE9Sf3gAgS@bitmessage.ch
> > > To: users@jitsi.org
> > > Subject: [jitsi-users] OTR not working "?OTRv2?"
> > >
> > > When we try to start a secure chat, we both get: ?OTRv2? in the chat message window. Any ideas how to get it working?
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > users mailing list
> > > users@jitsi.org
> > > Unsubscribe instructions and other list options:
> > > http://lists.jitsi.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>

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#7

iirc jitsi does not support otr for sip (if this is true, why isnt it
in the faq?). it has nothing to do with your provider supporting otr,
otr is done client side.

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Am 30.07.2013 01:18, schrieb BitMessage:

Update: first, yes we are both using jitsi 2.2 on linux 64bit. The
problem is when using iptel.org accounts. When we use patts.us
accounts it works fine. Could this be because iptel.org is using
SIP and not XMPP and does not provide support for secure chats? Is
that the case for every SIP provider?


#8

Yes client side. But since the text chat is going through the SIP provider iptel.org so why then it does not work OTR but a different provider XMPP does? If the problem is that jitsi does not support OTR via SIP accounts, then not only should it be in FAQ but if possible there should not be the option to start private secure chat on such connections?

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Am 30.07.2013 01:18, schrieb BitMessage:

Update: first, yes we are both using jitsi 2.2 on linux 64bit. The
problem is when using iptel.org accounts. When we use patts.us
accounts it works fine. Could this be because iptel.org is using
SIP and not XMPP and does not provide support for secure chats? Is
that the case for every SIP provider?

iirc jitsi does not support otr for sip (if this is true, why isnt it
in the faq?). it has nothing to do with your provider supporting otr,
otr is done client side.

- --
Yannik V�lker
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#9

SIP is NOT designed to handle text chatting in the first place. If you
got it to work with iptel.org then they are doing something that is NOT
part of the SIP protocol structure. SIP is designed for VOICE
communications only. There have been protocol add-ons that provide
additional functionality to SIP but are not part of the overall SIP
design. If you want OTR to work properly you should stick with a XMPP
server.

···

On 7/29/2013 6:47 PM, BitMessage wrote:

Yes client side. But since the text chat is going through the SIP
provider iptel.org so why then it does not work OTR but a different
provider XMPP does? If the problem is that jitsi does not support OTR
via SIP accounts, then not only should it be in FAQ but if possible
there should not be the option to start private secure chat on such
connections?

--
John Perry


#10

What is SIP SIMPLE? Does this carry SMS?

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inum: +883510009902611
On Jul 29, 2013 11:10 PM, "Ingo Bauersachs" <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

While SIP is not designed for text, it certainly does work. SIP MESSAGE
and MSRP are the magic words here.

I'm not sure about the state of OTR through SIP, but the only reason I can
come up with why it would not work (when unencrypted chats do work), is
that the message gets too large to fit in a UDP packet (due to the
encryption).

Ingo

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Le 30.07.2013 à 03:44, "John Perry" <lists@jpunix.net> a écrit :

> On 7/29/2013 6:47 PM, BitMessage wrote:
>> Yes client side. But since the text chat is going through the SIP
>> provider iptel.org so why then it does not work OTR but a different
>> provider XMPP does? If the problem is that jitsi does not support OTR
>> via SIP accounts, then not only should it be in FAQ but if possible
>> there should not be the option to start private secure chat on such
>> connections?
>
> SIP is NOT designed to handle text chatting in the first place. If you
> got it to work with iptel.org then they are doing something that is NOT
> part of the SIP protocol structure. SIP is designed for VOICE
> communications only. There have been protocol add-ons that provide
> additional functionality to SIP but are not part of the overall SIP
> design. If you want OTR to work properly you should stick with a XMPP
> server.
>
> --
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>
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#11

I am not using any SIP account but i guess that jitsi supports otr
over sip when there is an gui element for it.

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Yannik V�lker

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Am 30.07.2013 01:47, schrieb BitMessage:

Yes client side. But since the text chat is going through the SIP
provider iptel.org so why then it does not work OTR but a
different provider XMPP does? If the problem is that jitsi does not
support OTR via SIP accounts, then not only should it be in FAQ but
if possible there should not be the option to start private secure
chat on such connections?


#12

SIP MESSAGE and MSRP were put into place to provide signalling to
systems and devices such as Asterisk servers and ATAs that provide
indications to clients such as "Hey! The phone is ringing!" and "Hey!
You have VM!" These UDP packets were designed to carry various status
conditions, not to be used by the end-user as a means of text
chatting. If these packets are used by the end-user for purposes that
they were not designed for I can only guess about the effect
experienced by the Asterisk server or ATA? I would think it may even
confuse them enough to crash them. But your mileage may vary. In my
opinion, and you may take my opinion and toss it in the trash if you
wish, asking text messaging to work over SIP is like purchasing an
automobile and then being upset because it won't fly or act like a
submarine.

- --
John Perry
xmpp://chat.jpunix.net

···

On 7/30/2013 1:07 AM, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

While SIP is not designed for text, it certainly does work. SIP
MESSAGE and MSRP are the magic words here.

I'm not sure about the state of OTR through SIP, but the only
reason I can come up with why it would not work (when unencrypted
chats do work), is that the message gets too large to fit in a UDP
packet (due to the encryption).

Ingo


#13

While SIP is not designed for text, it certainly does work. SIP MESSAGE and MSRP are the magic words here.

I'm not sure about the state of OTR through SIP, but the only reason I can come up with why it would not work (when unencrypted chats do work), is that the message gets too large to fit in a UDP packet (due to the encryption).

Ingo

-- sent from my mobile

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Le 30.07.2013 à 03:44, "John Perry" <lists@jpunix.net> a écrit :

On 7/29/2013 6:47 PM, BitMessage wrote:

Yes client side. But since the text chat is going through the SIP
provider iptel.org so why then it does not work OTR but a different
provider XMPP does? If the problem is that jitsi does not support OTR
via SIP accounts, then not only should it be in FAQ but if possible
there should not be the option to start private secure chat on such
connections?

SIP is NOT designed to handle text chatting in the first place. If you
got it to work with iptel.org then they are doing something that is NOT
part of the SIP protocol structure. SIP is designed for VOICE
communications only. There have been protocol add-ons that provide
additional functionality to SIP but are not part of the overall SIP
design. If you want OTR to work properly you should stick with a XMPP
server.

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#14

Yes I know and agree. Indeed its the same for ostel.co SIP providing chat support. I just assumed that the chat part must be via XMPP, because otherwise how can jitsi work with it? So if the chat element added by those servers is XMPP, why does it now allow for OTR, as the OTR is only sent already encrypted over the XMPP. Is there some hand shaking issues that require an XMPP server supporting OTR v 2 or something else that explains this? Thanks to everyone providing feedback here and trying to figure this out.

···

On 7/29/2013 6:47 PM, BitMessage wrote:

Yes client side. But since the text chat is going through the SIP
provider iptel.org so why then it does not work OTR but a different
provider XMPP does? If the problem is that jitsi does not support OTR
via SIP accounts, then not only should it be in FAQ but if possible
there should not be the option to start private secure chat on such
connections?

SIP is NOT designed to handle text chatting in the first place. If you
got it to work with iptel.org then they are doing something that is NOT
part of the SIP protocol structure. SIP is designed for VOICE
communications only. There have been protocol add-ons that provide
additional functionality to SIP but are not part of the overall SIP
design. If you want OTR to work properly you should stick with a XMPP
server.


#15

While SIP is not designed for text, it certainly does work. SIP
MESSAGE and MSRP are the magic words here.

I'm not sure about the state of OTR through SIP, but the only
reason I can come up with why it would not work (when unencrypted
chats do work), is that the message gets too large to fit in a UDP
packet (due to the encryption).

Ingo

SIP MESSAGE and MSRP were put into place to provide signalling to
systems and devices such as Asterisk servers and ATAs that provide
indications to clients such as "Hey! The phone is ringing!" and "Hey!
You have VM!" These UDP packets were designed to carry various status
conditions, not to be used by the end-user as a means of text chatting.
If these packets are used by the end-user for purposes that they were
not designed for I can only guess about the effect experienced by the
Asterisk server or ATA? I would think it may even confuse them enough to
crash them. But your mileage may vary. In my opinion, and you may take
my opinion and toss it in the trash if you wish, asking text messaging
to work over SIP is like purchasing an automobile and then being upset
because it won't fly or act like a submarine.

RFC 3428:
   This document proposes the MESSAGE method, an extension to the
   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) that allows the transfer of Instant
   Messages.

RFC 4975:
   This document describes the Message Session Relay Protocol, a
   protocol for transmitting a series of related instant messages in the
   context of a session.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see any misuse here.

- --
John Perry
xmpp://chat.jpunix.net

Ingo

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On 7/30/2013 1:07 AM, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:


#16

The I stand corrected.

···

On 7/30/2013 6:20 AM, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

On 7/30/2013 1:07 AM, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

While SIP is not designed for text, it certainly does work. SIP
MESSAGE and MSRP are the magic words here.

I'm not sure about the state of OTR through SIP, but the only
reason I can come up with why it would not work (when unencrypted
chats do work), is that the message gets too large to fit in a UDP
packet (due to the encryption).

Ingo

SIP MESSAGE and MSRP were put into place to provide signalling to
systems and devices such as Asterisk servers and ATAs that provide
indications to clients such as "Hey! The phone is ringing!" and "Hey!
You have VM!" These UDP packets were designed to carry various status
conditions, not to be used by the end-user as a means of text chatting.
If these packets are used by the end-user for purposes that they were
not designed for I can only guess about the effect experienced by the
Asterisk server or ATA? I would think it may even confuse them enough to
crash them. But your mileage may vary. In my opinion, and you may take
my opinion and toss it in the trash if you wish, asking text messaging
to work over SIP is like purchasing an automobile and then being upset
because it won't fly or act like a submarine.

RFC 3428:
   This document proposes the MESSAGE method, an extension to the
   Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) that allows the transfer of Instant
   Messages.

RFC 4975:
   This document describes the Message Session Relay Protocol, a
   protocol for transmitting a series of related instant messages in the
   context of a session.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see any misuse here.

- --
John Perry
xmpp://chat.jpunix.net

Ingo

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