[jitsi-users] List of Jabber Servers with Jingle Relay Nodes


#1

Hi Jitsi friends,

does anybody have a list with public available (quite reliable) Jabber Servers with Jingle Relay Nodes? I googled around but did not find any lists. I suppose, Jingle Relay Nodes are really useful but also rare.
In case there are no lists: Any ideas on how one can search for Jabber Servers with Jingle Relay Nodes (without make an account on every server and try it out)

Thanks for ideas / help


#2

I've been searching for good XMPP servers for a while now and have found
none. Nothing works reliably.


#3

Hey Martin,

We believe we have currently patched jit.si so it is stable enough and
you may want to give it a try.

Cheers,
Emil

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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Martin Schmidt <martin.schmidt13@gmx.de> wrote:

Hi Jitsi friends,

does anybody have a list with public available (quite reliable) Jabber Servers with Jingle Relay Nodes? I googled around but did not find any lists. I suppose, Jingle Relay Nodes are really useful but also rare.
In case there are no lists: Any ideas on how one can search for Jabber Servers with Jingle Relay Nodes (without make an account on every server and try it out)

Thanks for ideas / help

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#4

Martin Schmidt:

does anybody have a list with public available (quite reliable)
Jabber Servers with Jingle Relay Nodes? I googled around but did not
find any lists. I suppose, Jingle Relay Nodes are really useful but
also rare.
In case there are no lists: Any ideas on how one can search for
Jabber Servers with Jingle Relay Nodes (without make an account on
every server and try it out)

These are good questions.

A while ago I tried to find XMPP servers with Jingle Nodes. Sadly I
found only 1 or 2.

You might be interested this:

CUSAX: Combined Use of the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and the
Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP)
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ivov-xmpp-cusax/

I am not yet convinced that this will really help, because adding SIP to
XMPP adds a significant amount of complexity to the whole system. But it
might be the only reasonable solution based on what we have.

Cheers,
Andreas


#5

Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org>
...
We believe we have currently patched jit.si so it is stable enough and
you may want to give it a try.

Mostly i use jit.si already (with the jingle relay node). But for the cases jit.si is down or there is another problem i wanted some kind of a "fallback" jabber server with jingle relay node...

But in general another interesting question is: Has jit.si the only jingle relay node?


#6

Von: "Ansis Māliņš" <ansis.malins@gmail.com>

I've been searching for good XMPP servers for a while now and have found none.
Nothing works reliably.

OK. So let's continue using skype again :wink:


#7

Von: "Andreas Kuckartz" <a.kuckartz@ping.de>

I am not yet convinced that this will really help, because adding SIP to
XMPP adds a significant amount of complexity to the whole system. But it
might be the only reasonable solution based on what we have.

It's a pitty. But in my (very special) case the audio / video connection can only be established if i have the jingle relay. SIP/STUN (ekiga et al.) i tried already with no success (my main use case is to establish a video connection)


#8

Hello Everyone!

There are 2 other public servers. xmpp://chat.jpunix.net and
xmpp://patts.us. You may want to give them a try.

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#9

no, jabber-server.de would be another server providing one. Other than
that you might just need to search. Please post results to the malinglist!

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Am 22.08.2013 22:08, schrieb Martin Schmidt:

Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org> ... We believe we have
currently patched jit.si so it is stable enough and you may want
to give it a try.

Mostly i use jit.si already (with the jingle relay node). But for
the cases jit.si is down or there is another problem i wanted some
kind of a "fallback" jabber server with jingle relay node...

But in general another interesting question is: Has jit.si the only
jingle relay node?


#10

Perhaps slightly off-topic, but does anyone have hints or suggestions
for good server software for this (FOSS of course)?

Martin Schmidt skrev 2013-08-22 22:08:

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Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org>
...
We believe we have currently patched jit.si so it is stable enough and
you may want to give it a try.

Mostly i use jit.si already (with the jingle relay node). But for the cases jit.si is down or there is another problem i wanted some kind of a "fallback" jabber server with jingle relay node...

But in general another interesting question is: Has jit.si the only jingle relay node?


#11

AAh. Interesting. But on the website of jabber-server.de they did not mention that they have the jingle relay nodes. Perhaps this is often the case, that a website of the server do not mention that...? This would be an improvement: *automatic* generated lists of the features of a jabber server (searchable in the web)

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Am 22.08.2013 22:08, schrieb Martin Schmidt:
>> Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org> ... We believe we have
>> currently patched jit.si so it is stable enough and you may want
>> to give it a try.
>
> Mostly i use jit.si already (with the jingle relay node). But for
> the cases jit.si is down or there is another problem i wanted some
> kind of a "fallback" jabber server with jingle relay node...
>
> But in general another interesting question is: Has jit.si the only
> jingle relay node?

no, jabber-server.de would be another server providing one. Other than
that you might just need to search. Please post results to the malinglist!


#12

Haven't tested it myself, but ejabberd is both the most popular and
implements the most of the protocol. http://www.process-one.net/en/ejabberd/

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On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:42 AM, Christian Huldt <christian@solvare.se>wrote:

Perhaps slightly off-topic, but does anyone have hints or suggestions
for good server software for this (FOSS of course)?

Martin Schmidt skrev 2013-08-22 22:08:
>> Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org>
>> ...
>> We believe we have currently patched jit.si so it is stable enough and
>> you may want to give it a try.
>
> Mostly i use jit.si already (with the jingle relay node). But for the
cases jit.si is down or there is another problem i wanted some kind of a
"fallback" jabber server with jingle relay node...
>
> But in general another interesting question is: Has jit.si the only
jingle relay node?

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#13

Hey Christian,

AFAIK, Openfire is the only one that comes with an integrated JN relay. You
can however run it as a component on any other server.

Emil

--sent from my mobile

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On 23 Aug 2013 07:43, "Christian Huldt" <christian@solvare.se> wrote:

Perhaps slightly off-topic, but does anyone have hints or suggestions
for good server software for this (FOSS of course)?

Martin Schmidt skrev 2013-08-22 22:08:
>> Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org>
>> ...
>> We believe we have currently patched jit.si so it is stable enough and
>> you may want to give it a try.
>
> Mostly i use jit.si already (with the jingle relay node). But for the
cases jit.si is down or there is another problem i wanted some kind of a
"fallback" jabber server with jingle relay node...
>
> But in general another interesting question is: Has jit.si the only
jingle relay node?

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#14

Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org>
...
AFAIK, Openfire is the only one that comes with an integrated JN relay.

Openfire has "an *integrated* JN relay"? Does that mean if i select an openfire server from http://xmpp.net/ that it has necessarily an Jingle relay node?
Another point: I tried out jabber.de from the list (it has Openfire), but jingle relay did not work there!! A temporary problem?


#15

Openfire does not really haveJN Relay built in.

It is necessary to download a plug-in
*Jingle Nodes Plugin*
Provides support for Jingle Nodes

  README <http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/plugins/jinglenodes/readme.html> Changelog <http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/plugins/jinglenodes/changelog.html> jingleNodes.jar <http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/plugins/jingleNodes.jar> 0.0.3 Feb 11, 2011

and to use this plug-in.

ejabberd supports XEP-0278, but says it is experimental.

regards, Earl

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On 23/08/2013 11:01, Emil Ivov wrote:

Hey Christian,

AFAIK, Openfire is the only one that comes with an integrated JN relay. You can however run it as a component on any other server.

Emil

--sent from my mobile

On 23 Aug 2013 07:43, "Christian Huldt" <christian@solvare.se > <mailto:christian@solvare.se>> wrote:

    Perhaps slightly off-topic, but does anyone have hints or suggestions
    for good server software for this (FOSS of course)?

    Martin Schmidt skrev 2013-08-22 22:08:
    >> Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org <mailto:emcho@jitsi.org>>
    >> ...
    >> We believe we have currently patched jit.si <http://jit.si> so
    it is stable enough and
    >> you may want to give it a try.
    >
    > Mostly i use jit.si <http://jit.si> already (with the jingle
    relay node). But for the cases jit.si <http://jit.si> is down or
    there is another problem i wanted some kind of a "fallback" jabber
    server with jingle relay node...
    >
    > But in general another interesting question is: Has jit.si
    <http://jit.si> the only jingle relay node?

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#16

martin.schmidt13@gmx.de writes:

AAh. Interesting. But on the website of jabber-server.de they did not
mention that they have the jingle relay nodes. Perhaps this is often
the case, that a website of the server do not mention that...? This
would be an improvement: *automatic* generated lists of the features
of a jabber server (searchable in the web)

Something I've been wondering for a while is: does XMPP /require/
(i.e. by specification) server feature discovery to only be available to
users registered on that server? Or is it merely that server
administrators tend to disable feature discovery by non-registered
users, for security reasons? I've used the Psi+ XMPP client to access
server feature info (e.g. when looking for Jingle support; or support
for various XMPP transports, such as Yahoo interop), but I've always had
to create an account on the relevant server before being able to access
this information.

Alexis.


#17

Openfire does not really haveJN Relay built in.

It is necessary to download a plug-in

Correct. However this happens with a click of the mouse in Openfire's
web interface. The JN interface then appears within Openfire's web
interface.

This is all a lot easier to manipulate than having to handle an
entirely separate XMPP component, which is what I meant by
"integrated". Sorry if this led to confusion.

Emil

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On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Earl <Large.Files@gmx.net> wrote:

*Jingle Nodes Plugin*
Provides support for Jingle Nodes

        README
<http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/plugins/jinglenodes/readme.html>
Changelog
<http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/plugins/jinglenodes/changelog.html>
jingleNodes.jar
<http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/plugins/jingleNodes.jar>
0.0.3 Feb 11, 2011

and to use this plug-in.

ejabberd supports XEP-0278, but says it is experimental.

regards, Earl

On 23/08/2013 11:01, Emil Ivov wrote:

Hey Christian,

AFAIK, Openfire is the only one that comes with an integrated JN relay.
You can however run it as a component on any other server.

Emil

--sent from my mobile

On 23 Aug 2013 07:43, "Christian Huldt" <christian@solvare.se >> <mailto:christian@solvare.se>> wrote:

    Perhaps slightly off-topic, but does anyone have hints or suggestions
    for good server software for this (FOSS of course)?

    Martin Schmidt skrev 2013-08-22 22:08:
    >> Von: "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org <mailto:emcho@jitsi.org>>
    >> ...
    >> We believe we have currently patched jit.si <http://jit.si> so

    it is stable enough and
    >> you may want to give it a try.
    >
    > Mostly i use jit.si <http://jit.si> already (with the jingle
    relay node). But for the cases jit.si <http://jit.si> is down or

    there is another problem i wanted some kind of a "fallback" jabber
    server with jingle relay node...
    >
    > But in general another interesting question is: Has jit.si
    <http://jit.si> the only jingle relay node?

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#18

Hi Emil,

When I played with OpenFire, I thought it was simple and easy to get running,
also JN Relay nodes plug-in.

What worries me is your comment that OpenFire needed a patch to have it run
stably at jit.si. What problems existed to necessitate a patch?

Is this patch available?

Regards, Earl

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On 23/08/2013 15:36, Emil Ivov wrote:

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Earl <Large.Files@gmx.net> wrote:

Openfire does not really haveJN Relay built in.

It is necessary to download a plug-in

Correct. However this happens with a click of the mouse in Openfire's
web interface. The JN interface then appears within Openfire's web
interface.

This is all a lot easier to manipulate than having to handle an
entirely separate XMPP component, which is what I meant by
"integrated". Sorry if this led to confusion.

Emil


#19

When I played with OpenFire, I thought it was simple and easy to get
running, also JN Relay nodes plug-in.

What worries me is your comment that OpenFire needed a patch to have it

run

stably at jit.si. What problems existed to necessitate a patch?

Is this patch available?

What patch are you talking about? Jit.si being stable again? That was simply
a misconfiguration giving Openfire's Java VM more heap memory (-Xmx) than
physically available. If you want to run it on a Java 6 VM and need
federation, keep attention to [1].

Regards, Earl

Ingo

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/1006776