[jitsi-users] Jitsi Question


#1

Hi everyone,

I would like to deploy a secure replacement for Skype for our business
and have been informed that Jitsi is likely the best solution.

On doing a bit of research I see that an XMPP/jabber server is required
to run the Jitsi clients.

I am reaching-out in the hope that someone expert in privacy and
security could guide to whether (or not) Jitsi is the best solution for
maximum privacy/security and if so, which server is best for the same
purpose?

Thank you,
Roland

···

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#2

I have recently been doing a similar search. While I am no expert my
research has led me to discover XMPP+Videobridge as well as sipwise
SIP:Provider. SIP:Provider seems to be an all-in-one replacement for Skype
that builds on the tech Jitsi offers.

Good luck.

···

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Roland Schoettle <RolandS@plurime.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to deploy a secure replacement for Skype for our business
and have been informed that Jitsi is likely the best solution.

On doing a bit of research I see that an XMPP/jabber server is required
to run the Jitsi clients.

I am reaching-out in the hope that someone expert in privacy and
security could guide to whether (or not) Jitsi is the best solution for
maximum privacy/security and if so, which server is best for the same
purpose?

Thank you,
Roland

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#3

Hi Roland,

Hi everyone,

I would like to deploy a secure replacement for Skype for our business
and have been informed that Jitsi is likely the best solution.

On doing a bit of research I see that an XMPP/jabber server is required
to run the Jitsi clients.

I am reaching-out in the hope that someone expert in privacy and
security could guide to whether (or not) Jitsi is the best solution for
maximum privacy/security and if so, which server is best for the same
purpose?

What are your security requirements? You're coming from Skype after all.

···

On 5 February 2015 at 17:09, Roland Schoettle <RolandS@plurime.com> wrote:

Thank you,
Roland

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#4

Hi Roland,

Jitsi is an awesome program that absolutely allows you to make secure
voice and video calls as well as have secure text conversations (not SMS
here but instant messages). The program uses open standards for call and
chat security (ZRTP, OTR, etc) and the code is able to be reviewed and
audited for security holes. From a privacy standpoint, I can't really
say enough about how great Jitsi is and I strongly recommend it.

Now, as to your question about XMPP/Jabbber. Yes, Jitsi does indeed
support XMPP. But it also supports a number of other protocols like IRC,
SIP, MSN, Yahoo, and others. Any of these could be used to communicate
with your contact. Personally, I recommend using SIP or XMPP. Yes, both
do indeed require a 'server' but there are many servers out there run by
other people (I run one myself) that will allow you and your contacts to
have secure video and voice communications. The benefit of SIP over XMPP
(and it's small) is that, using SIP, you can pretty easily interface
with the telephone system. That means you can not only call people on
other SIP providers but you can also call to and receive calls from
regular telephones. Just like XMPP, there are tons of free SIP providers
out there for you to choose from.

As for the security of the server, that depends. IIRC, in many call
situations, the server is used only for call setup and the actual call
is made peer-to-peer. In those situations, the server might have logs of
who you called, what time you called them, what your IP was, etc. In
other cases, you might find the server has more details like call
length, etc. If you use ZRTP to encrypt your calls, you don't have to
worry about the content of them being intercepted though because it will
all be encrypted. This is true for both SIP and XMPP (possibly others,
but I don't know).

Who do I recommend? My personal favorites are Callcentric for SIP. I use
my own server for XMPP (chat.cpunk.us) but I also strongly recommend the
server at jit.si (IIRC, that's run by the Jitsi team itself so it's nice
and secure).

So I hope that answers your questions. I'm sure others here will chime
in too but, if I can be of any help, feel free to drop me an email.

Good luck,
Anthony

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On 02/05/2015 07:09 PM, Roland Schoettle wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to deploy a secure replacement for Skype for our business
and have been informed that Jitsi is likely the best solution.

On doing a bit of research I see that an XMPP/jabber server is required
to run the Jitsi clients.

I am reaching-out in the hope that someone expert in privacy and
security could guide to whether (or not) Jitsi is the best solution for
maximum privacy/security and if so, which server is best for the same
purpose?


#5

Thanks you for the reply, Jean-Philippe. It is appreciated.

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On 2/5/15 8:21 PM, Jean-Philippe Steinmetz wrote:

I have recently been doing a similar search. While I am no expert my
research has led me to discover XMPP+Videobridge as well as sipwise
SIP:Provider. SIP:Provider seems to be an all-in-one replacement for
Skype that builds on the tech Jitsi offers.

Good luck.

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Roland Schoettle <RolandS@plurime.com > <mailto:RolandS@plurime.com>> wrote:

    Hi everyone,

    I would like to deploy a secure replacement for Skype for our business
    and have been informed that Jitsi is likely the best solution.

    On doing a bit of research I see that an XMPP/jabber server is
    required
    to run the Jitsi clients.

    I am reaching-out in the hope that someone expert in privacy and
    security could guide to whether (or not) Jitsi is the best
    solution for
    maximum privacy/security and if so, which server is best for the same
    purpose?

    Thank you,
    Roland

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#6

Hi,

I'm not quite sure what to make of the comment "You're coming from Skype
after all", but I'm looking for maximum security and privacy. As you
can likely ascertain, I'm not an expert in this area so am looking for
guidance from people who are.

I've been informed that Skype is massively insecure and that Microsoft
regularly provides data that users believe to be protected under their
T&Cs. This is patently wrong in my opinion and should not be supported.

Thanks,

···

On 2/5/15 8:23 PM, jungle Boogie wrote:

Hi Roland,
On 5 February 2015 at 17:09, Roland Schoettle <RolandS@plurime.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to deploy a secure replacement for Skype for our business
and have been informed that Jitsi is likely the best solution.

On doing a bit of research I see that an XMPP/jabber server is required
to run the Jitsi clients.

I am reaching-out in the hope that someone expert in privacy and
security could guide to whether (or not) Jitsi is the best solution for
maximum privacy/security and if so, which server is best for the same
purpose?

What are your security requirements? You're coming from Skype after all.

Thank you,
Roland

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#7

Hi Anthony,

Big thanks for your detailed reply.

For added clarity, I have a technical team available (assuming I don't
distract them from their regular tasks) as well as access to significant
computing capacity on our own cloud. Our technology stack is PCI
certified and members of our group are expert in systems security (but
not me).

Before I go distracting anyone else in our group, I'd like to have a
better understanding (in layman's terms that can be clearly explained to
other non-technical business people in our sphere) of what options we
have for net-based internal and external communications. I believe that
my having a better understanding will allow me to be somewhat more
useful in the process and allow our group to focus and implement faster
(reduce meeting cycles).

It would be best if the technology we choose could communicate with
common third party systems and devices (e.g., VoIP via SIP, etc.) but
automatically default to the highest security/privacy comms when
communicating amongst ourselves. It would also be highly desirable to
communicate securely/privately across IP-enabled mobile phones, IP
deskphones, tablets, and notebook/desktop computers.

We are very aware of various rules and regulations levied on many telco
services providers (e.g., CALEA) as well as the numerous privacy and
security breaches of too many of the big name net services providers.

The internal consensus is that the best option is to run our own systems.

Given the additional information, I would appreciate any
additional/differing recommendations.

Thank you, again.
Roland

PS: On reading your generous reply, I realize that my understanding of
all the pieces used to implement Jitsi is unclear. Is there a detailed
overview of the technology stack and how it all fits together?

···

On 2/5/15 8:31 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote:

On 02/05/2015 07:09 PM, Roland Schoettle wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to deploy a secure replacement for Skype for our business
and have been informed that Jitsi is likely the best solution.

On doing a bit of research I see that an XMPP/jabber server is required
to run the Jitsi clients.

I am reaching-out in the hope that someone expert in privacy and
security could guide to whether (or not) Jitsi is the best solution for
maximum privacy/security and if so, which server is best for the same
purpose?

Hi Roland,

Jitsi is an awesome program that absolutely allows you to make secure
voice and video calls as well as have secure text conversations (not SMS
here but instant messages). The program uses open standards for call and
chat security (ZRTP, OTR, etc) and the code is able to be reviewed and
audited for security holes. From a privacy standpoint, I can't really
say enough about how great Jitsi is and I strongly recommend it.

Now, as to your question about XMPP/Jabbber. Yes, Jitsi does indeed
support XMPP. But it also supports a number of other protocols like IRC,
SIP, MSN, Yahoo, and others. Any of these could be used to communicate
with your contact. Personally, I recommend using SIP or XMPP. Yes, both
do indeed require a 'server' but there are many servers out there run by
other people (I run one myself) that will allow you and your contacts to
have secure video and voice communications. The benefit of SIP over XMPP
(and it's small) is that, using SIP, you can pretty easily interface
with the telephone system. That means you can not only call people on
other SIP providers but you can also call to and receive calls from
regular telephones. Just like XMPP, there are tons of free SIP providers
out there for you to choose from.

As for the security of the server, that depends. IIRC, in many call
situations, the server is used only for call setup and the actual call
is made peer-to-peer. In those situations, the server might have logs of
who you called, what time you called them, what your IP was, etc. In
other cases, you might find the server has more details like call
length, etc. If you use ZRTP to encrypt your calls, you don't have to
worry about the content of them being intercepted though because it will
all be encrypted. This is true for both SIP and XMPP (possibly others,
but I don't know).

Who do I recommend? My personal favorites are Callcentric for SIP. I use
my own server for XMPP (chat.cpunk.us) but I also strongly recommend the
server at jit.si (IIRC, that's run by the Jitsi team itself so it's nice
and secure).

So I hope that answers your questions. I'm sure others here will chime
in too but, if I can be of any help, feel free to drop me an email.

Good luck,
Anthony

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#8

I liked ejabberd based in erlang. But there are many.

Openfire..

/A

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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 2:09 AM, Roland Schoettle <RolandS@plurime.com> wrote:

Hi everyone,

I would like to deploy a secure replacement for Skype for our business
and have been informed that Jitsi is likely the best solution.

On doing a bit of research I see that an XMPP/jabber server is required
to run the Jitsi clients.

I am reaching-out in the hope that someone expert in privacy and
security could guide to whether (or not) Jitsi is the best solution for
maximum privacy/security and if so, which server is best for the same
purpose?

Thank you,
Roland

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#9

Hi Roland,

I am starting a private research about Skype alternatives. It´s like you said, the past years have shown that trusting big players can be disappointing.

In fact, it seems to be finally visible to many people now how cloud services can be abused. And, Skype seems to me to be a cloud service as well:

- user & access management not in your own hands
- storage of chat data (at least) in the cloud - "for comfort"
- complete encryption of network traffic
- Terms & conditions hardly to be understood (made by clever lawyers)

etc...

The term "cloud" becomes more a kind of "fog" now. So I would be glad to hear from you, later on, experiences from the evaluation, test phase and hopefully, from the go-live of your own communication solution :wink:

To be clear about Skype alternatives: It´s not something that comes out-of-the-box. You need time & dedication to get it right. But the return value is IMHO priceless.

And another word about "clouds": How could companies ever donate their most important information flows to external companies, just because to save a few pennies? I don´t understand the cloud principle at all. You get a little comfort, but more headaches in the end.

BR FLorian

Zitat von Roland Schoettle <RolandS@plurime.com>:

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Hi,

I'm not quite sure what to make of the comment "You're coming from Skype
after all", but I'm looking for maximum security and privacy. As you
can likely ascertain, I'm not an expert in this area so am looking for
guidance from people who are.

I've been informed that Skype is massively insecure and that Microsoft
regularly provides data that users believe to be protected under their
T&Cs. This is patently wrong in my opinion and should not be supported.


#10

Hi,

I'm not quite sure what to make of the comment "You're coming from Skype after all", but I'm looking for maximum security and privacy. As you can likely ascertain, I'm not an expert in this area so am looking for guidance from people who are.

My comment is to say Skype isn't really what I would call secure so
you're going from that to something that you may want to control on
your own.

My recommendation is to use Jitsi as the client and Prosody as the
XMPP server. Prosody is a very lightweight XMPP server that won't take
you or your employees long to setup and/or manage.
https://prosody.im/

How many employees are at your company?

At my place of employment, I didn't got with XMPP since we're a small
company, and there's only one remote employee that we chat with.
Mumble is like IRC but easier to setup and it allows audio chatting.

I've been informed that Skype is massively insecure and that Microsoft regularly provides data that users believe to be protected under their T&Cs. This is patently wrong in my opinion and should not be supported.

Right, that's likely been the case for many years now.

Good luck!

Thanks,

Jungle

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On 5 February 2015 at 19:49, Roland Schoettle <RolandS@plurime.com> wrote:

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#11

Hi Ronald,

I'm not quite sure what to make of the comment "You're coming from Skype
after all", but I'm looking for maximum security and privacy. As you
can likely ascertain, I'm not an expert in this area so am looking for
guidance from people who are.

I think that what was meant was that Skype is clearly not secure neither
private. We now know that since a year and half: all of Skype data are
harvestable by the NSA; recently Skype made available a realt-time
translation service, thus making clear that they intercept and process
the content of your communications, and since a few weeks Skype updated
the terms of service and the content of your conversation is their
copyright. So this means that Skype is as fare from security and privacy
as you can get.

When it comes to setting up a solution, "maximum security and privacy"
is a meaningless statement. You have to think about your threat model:
who are you defending your communications from? You are encrypting your
communications with Jitsi, but do you send plain text e-mails, do you
take measures to prevent BadUSB?

Anyway, Jitsi with OTR and no log is the best solution for its kind of
service (instant messaging and vocal conversations).
For a XMPP server you can of course set up your own: if you can manage
it this would be the ideal solution. Unfortunately one just can't be an
expert in anything. You can then choose a server among those listed here:

https://xmpp.net/directory.php
https://list.jabber.at

Those are public servers: anybody can get an account there. In order to
choose one over the other you should look at the country where the
service is based (every country has its own regulations in privacy, some
are more aggressive, some defend more the user) and the grade of the
security of the server. In the first list grades are listed, for the
second one you can get the grade by submitting the server address here:
http://xmpp.net/

Daniele


#12

Hi Ronald,

I'm not quite sure what to make of the comment "You're coming from
Skype after all", but I'm looking for maximum security and privacy.
As you can likely ascertain, I'm not an expert in this area so am
looking for guidance from people who are.

I think that what was meant was that Skype is clearly not secure neither private. We now know that since a year and half: all of Skype data are harvestable by the NSA; recently Skype made available a realt-time translation service, thus making clear that they intercept and process the content of your communications, and since a few weeks Skype updated the terms of service and the content of your conversation is their copyright. So this means that Skype is as fare from security and privacy as you can get.

When it comes to setting up a solution, "maximum security and privacy"
is a meaningless statement. You have to think about your threat model:
who are you defending your communications from? You are encrypting your communications with Jitsi, but do you send plain text e-mails, do you take measures to prevent BadUSB?

Anyway, Jitsi with OTR and no log is the best solution for its kind of service (instant messaging and vocal conversations).
For a XMPP server you can of course set up your own: if you can manage it this would be the ideal solution. Unfortunately one just can't be an expert in anything. You can then choose a server among those listed here:

https://xmpp.net/directory.php
https://list.jabber.at

Those are public servers: anybody can get an account there. In order to choose one over the other you should look at the country where the service is based (every country has its own regulations in privacy, some are more aggressive, some defend more the user) and the grade of the security of the server. In the first list grades are listed, for the second one you can get the grade by submitting the server address here:
http://xmpp.net/

Daniele

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Indeed, what&where is your threat. Who do you trust?
You can encrypt the message while in transit, but afterwards?

If you take security really seriously, you have to get you own mail/sip/xmpp-server at-home or at-work.
Only then, you are in control.

For some it is easy, for some not: security has it price.

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#13

For added clarity, I have a technical team available (assuming I don't
distract them from their regular tasks) as well as access to significant
computing capacity on our own cloud. Our technology stack is PCI
certified and members of our group are expert in systems security (but
not me).

Excellent! It sounds like you definitely have the technical ability to
adequately evaluate this product to meet your security needs. Also, I
suspect Jitsi will fit in very well within your infrastructure and not
cause many (if any) problems with your current security.

Before I go distracting anyone else in our group, I'd like to have a
better understanding (in layman's terms that can be clearly explained to
other non-technical business people in our sphere) of what options we
have for net-based internal and external communications. I believe that
my having a better understanding will allow me to be somewhatn more
useful in the process and allow our group to focus and implement faster
(reduce meeting cycles).

It would be best if the technology we choose could communicate with
common third party systems and devices (e.g., VoIP via SIP, etc.) but
automatically default to the highest security/privacy comms when
communicating amongst ourselves. It would also be highly desirable to
communicate securely/privately across IP-enabled mobile phones, IP
deskphones, tablets, and notebook/desktop computers.

Since you have a mixed communications scenario (both internal
communication and external, by phone, communication), I'd strongly
recommend that you look at implementing SIP. A properly implemented SIP
system will allow you to do everything you want to do (instant
messaging, file transfer, presence support, internal calling, external
calling via the telephone network, encryption of voice and video chat
(with certain limitations, of course).

SIP is also a very well understood and supported technology that is
widely deployed in businesses and is compatible with an extremely wide
range of hardware and software including ANY kind of telephone hardware
(both traditional and VOIP). For example, you could use SIP in the
office with your a combination of your favorite VOIP software (like
Jitsi) and your favorite VOIP telephone hardware to make and receive
calls both internally and over the regular phone network. AND you could
use it at home, for example, with a $10 regular phone you bought from
Walmart to do the same. It's incredibly flexible.

My argument for your case would DEFINITELY be SIP over XMPP or other
technology.

We are very aware of various rules and regulations levied on many telco
services providers (e.g., CALEA) as well as the numerous privacy and
security breaches of too many of the big name net services providers.

The internal consensus is that the best option is to run our own systems.

Absolutely. While there are MANY SIP providers out there, if you are
concerned about having the most security (as well as flexibility) you
will want to run your own system. They aren't hard to set up and run at
all. Take a look at Asterisk for example. It can be set up in an
afternoon and can be used for everything from a simple home phone system
to the backbone of a multimillion dollar communications network.

PS: On reading your generous reply, I realize that my understanding of
all the pieces used to implement Jitsi is unclear. Is there a detailed
overview of the technology stack and how it all fits together?

I'm not aware of any one stop shop for that kind of thing (Digium might
have something but I don't know). Perhaps someone here might know of a
good place for you to start. In fact, the Asterisk site might have some
of that stuff as well so check there. I'll dig around and see what I can
find and forward it to you off-list when/if I do.

Anyway, I hope this helps. If you have any questions, please feel free
to reach out.

Anthony

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On 02/05/2015 11:28 PM, Roland Schoettle wrote:


#14

For interfacing with the phone companies' telephone network, depending on
how much control you want/need/are capable of, you might consider getting a
pre-integrated server with the required number and type of ports for the
connection(s) to the telephone network. While PCI cards for this are
available, a pre-integrated solution will save a lot of time and headaches.

I think Digium offers such solutions using the Asterisk open source VOIP
PBX software. I think there are other vendors offering Asterisk based
solutions as well.

The company I work for uses a Cisco VOIP/XMPP server. While Jitsi will work
with the Cisco server, I'm not currently using Jitsi at work, so I'm not
able to provide any advice. (I use Jitsi on my personal laptop.)

But if you choose, you certainly can build your own VOIP/XMPP server using
a suitable tower or rackmount PC, installing the needed telephone network
cards, maybe extra ethernet cards, Linux and Asterisk.

Any of your customers and/or suppliers who have their own VOIP/XMPP systems
can configure their systems to communicate with yours via the internet (or
other network connection). Similarly, any satellite offices you have would
be able communicate with your main office via the internet. (Even if your
satellite offices don't need/want telephone network connectivity, I would
recommend they each have their own VOIP/XMPP server that talks to your main
VOIP/XMPP server.)

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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 12:28 AM, Roland Schoettle <RolandS@plurime.com> wrote:

It would be best if the technology we choose could communicate with
common third party systems and devices (e.g., VoIP via SIP, etc.) but
automatically default to the highest security/privacy comms when
communicating amongst ourselves. It would also be highly desirable to
communicate securely/privately across IP-enabled mobile phones, IP
deskphones, tablets, and notebook/desktop computers.


#15

Daniele Pitrolo writes:

For a XMPP server you can of course set up your own: if you can manage
it this would be the ideal solution. Unfortunately one just can't be
an expert in anything. You can then choose a server among those listed
here:

https://xmpp.net/directory.php https://list.jabber.at

Those are public servers: anybody can get an account there. In order
to choose one over the other you should look at the country where the
service is based (every country has its own regulations in privacy,
some are more aggressive, some defend more the user) and the grade of
the security of the server. In the first list grades are listed, for
the second one you can get the grade by submitting the server address
here:
http://xmpp.net/

Also: as far as i'm aware, if you want to use voice/video with XMPP, the server you choose will need to provide Jingle support, which (in my experience) most servers don't. i would love to be wrong on either of these points, however!

Alexis.

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Don't take my word for it, but on the url:
http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/technology-overview/jingle/
They wrote that Asterisk supports Jingle
Googling learns asterisk does this since 2009
(via chan_motif, chan_gtalk, chan_jingle: depending which release on asterisk)

Hw

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#16

My recommendation is to use Jitsi as the client and Prosody as the
XMPP server. Prosody is a very lightweight XMPP server that won't take
you or your employees long to setup and/or manage.
https://prosody.im/

If anyone is interested, this is a good (as far as I know) guide to set
up a prosody server. It is in French, but the code is still code…

https://www.libwalk.so/2014/02/14/installer-un-serveur-xmppjabber-avec-prosody.html

Daniele


#17

Daniele Pitrolo writes:

For a XMPP server you can of course set up your own: if you can manage it this would be the ideal solution. Unfortunately one just can't be an expert in anything. You can then choose a server among those listed here:

https://xmpp.net/directory.php https://list.jabber.at

Those are public servers: anybody can get an account there. In order to choose one over the other you should look at the country where the service is based (every country has its own regulations in privacy, some are more aggressive, some defend more the user) and the grade of the security of the server. In the first list grades are listed, for the second one you can get the grade by submitting the server address here: http://xmpp.net/

Also: as far as i'm aware, if you want to use voice/video with XMPP, the server you choose will need to provide Jingle support, which (in my experience) most servers don't. i would love to be wrong on either of these points, however!

Alexis.


#18

Zitat von Alexis <flexibeast@gmail.com>:

Daniele Pitrolo writes:

Also: as far as i'm aware, if you want to use voice/video with XMPP, the server you choose will need to provide Jingle support, which (in my experience) most servers don't. i would love to be wrong on either of these points, however!

As I remember Jitsi will try to find a p2p channel by using different methods of NAT detection. Jingle is only one of them. STUN, TURN and UPnP should also help to establish communication.

Best would be however, to start rolling out IPv6 :wink:

BR


#19

Ejabberd does, which is a lot of public servers.

This (having a Jingle Relay Node) has little to do with the server software used, and certainly not every ejabberd server out there supports it -- it depends on the provider.

Boris

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Also: as far as i'm aware, if you want to use voice/video with XMPP,
the server you choose will need to provide Jingle support, which (in
my experience) most servers don't. i would love to be wrong on either
of these points, however!

Alexis.

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#20

I can't dispute this other than to say that every Ejabberd server I have
installed (a few) have supported video without any special
configuration.

There is nothing required on the XMPP server side to support video, it's all in the clients. The problem is with providing a relay, so that a connection can always be established, even when both clients are behind (any kind of) NAT.

Boris

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On 06/02/15 15:20, dsp3 wrote:

This (having a Jingle Relay Node) has little to do with the server
software used, and certainly not every ejabberd server out there
supports it -- it depends on the provider.

Boris

Also: as far as i'm aware, if you want to use voice/video with XMPP,
the server you choose will need to provide Jingle support, which (in
my experience) most servers don't. i would love to be wrong on either
of these points, however!

Alexis.

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