[jitsi-users] Jitsi @ FOSDEM 2015


#1

Hey all,

As usual, the Jitsi team will be present at FOSDEM 2015: Friday through
Sunday, Jan 30 to Feb 01 in Brussels.

We will have our stand on the 2nd floor in the K-building and hold the
following two talks:
- Scalable Video Conferencing with Jitsi Videobridge
  http://goo.gl/4ByvmC

- Jitsi Videobridge in Cryptoland
  http://goo.gl/eZ5cNN

Looking forward to meeting you all there!

Cheers,
Ingo


#2

Sad to see no mention of the Jitsi client.
I'm not interested in videobridge, it offers me no advantage, I don't do
multi-user video conferences, I only do one-to-one comms.

Seems to me that the devs are devoting 99% of their time to videobridge and
1% or less to the Jitsi client...

FC

···

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

We will have our stand on the 2nd floor in the K-building and hold the
following two talks:
- Scalable Video Conferencing with Jitsi Videobridge
  http://goo.gl/4ByvmC

- Jitsi Videobridge in Cryptoland
  http://goo.gl/eZ5cNN

Looking forward to meeting you all there!

Cheers,
Ingo


#3

Hi Fernando,
dear Developers

I do understand and also share your disappointment!

I have promoted Jitsi since its beginning to all my users/ colleagues
and friends intensely. I made tons of tests and case studies to be
able to help them getting rid of Skype. I asked them for patience till
the Android client is ready to go... Unfortunately I'm an Unix
Engineer but not a programmer, so can't contribute in that field.
And that all to find myself meanwhile confronted with the horrible
thought of installing Skype myself again!

What I do not understand - and I hope the Devs will enlighten me/us -
is the reasoning/ politics behind that move towards videobridge to
that extent. Even if the Devs could not make money with the Jitsi
client, they (still) have the chance to offer the very first open
source IM/VoIP/Video client on all platforms. And of course that must
include Android due to its dominance AND due to the dominance of
mobile computing itself. And this offer would be the best
advertisement for Jitsi Videobridge / Jitsi Meet ever! And therefore I
don't get it. Why do you guys chuck this massive X-factor away?
Imagine Jitsi really took off and is used by millions. Not only are
they a perfect base for advertising your (paid) services/ products but
also would they be great ambassadors for the Jitsi Product Family.

Almost daily we are getting confronted with yet another IM/VoIP
product, building up another little ecosystem of locked in users. Last
one is MEGAchat...
That is not the diversity I was looking for...

Please don't get me wrong, you guys have created an outstanding
product and your commitment is remarkable. Thank you!

John

···

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

We will have our stand on the 2nd floor in the K-building and hold the
following two talks:
- Scalable Video Conferencing with Jitsi Videobridge
  http://goo.gl/4ByvmC

- Jitsi Videobridge in Cryptoland
  http://goo.gl/eZ5cNN

Looking forward to meeting you all there!

Cheers,
Ingo

Sad to see no mention of the Jitsi client.
I'm not interested in videobridge, it offers me no advantage, I don't do
multi-user video conferences, I only do one-to-one comms.

Seems to me that the devs are devoting 99% of their time to videobridge and
1% or less to the Jitsi client...

FC

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#4

Guys ... check out the libjitsi and jitsi commits. Check out the
number of nightly builds on Jitsi. Yes, work on Jitsi has slowed down,
but the 99 / 1 ratio is simply unreal. Hearing such things is very
demotivating (if anyone cares at all).

Also questions like: "i see that money can be a factor but, don't
understand why the team won't work more on jitsi" are very confusing
to me. We are human. We need food. We need to pay bills. Why is not
everyone on this mailing list doing their best to learn programming,
master the jitsi codebase and contribute? What is stopping Unix
administrators from acquiring the extra skills? Same reasons: we are
all human, we all live in the same constrained world.

Emil

···

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:16 PM, rsnewsbox <rsnewsbox@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi Fernando,
dear Developers

I do understand and also share your disappointment!

I have promoted Jitsi since its beginning to all my users/ colleagues
and friends intensely. I made tons of tests and case studies to be
able to help them getting rid of Skype. I asked them for patience till
the Android client is ready to go... Unfortunately I'm an Unix
Engineer but not a programmer, so can't contribute in that field.
And that all to find myself meanwhile confronted with the horrible
thought of installing Skype myself again!

What I do not understand - and I hope the Devs will enlighten me/us -
is the reasoning/ politics behind that move towards videobridge to
that extent. Even if the Devs could not make money with the Jitsi
client, they (still) have the chance to offer the very first open
source IM/VoIP/Video client on all platforms. And of course that must
include Android due to its dominance AND due to the dominance of
mobile computing itself. And this offer would be the best
advertisement for Jitsi Videobridge / Jitsi Meet ever! And therefore I
don't get it. Why do you guys chuck this massive X-factor away?
Imagine Jitsi really took off and is used by millions. Not only are
they a perfect base for advertising your (paid) services/ products but
also would they be great ambassadors for the Jitsi Product Family.

Almost daily we are getting confronted with yet another IM/VoIP
product, building up another little ecosystem of locked in users. Last
one is MEGAchat...
That is not the diversity I was looking for...

Please don't get me wrong, you guys have created an outstanding
product and your commitment is remarkable. Thank you!

John

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

We will have our stand on the 2nd floor in the K-building and hold the
following two talks:
- Scalable Video Conferencing with Jitsi Videobridge
  http://goo.gl/4ByvmC

- Jitsi Videobridge in Cryptoland
  http://goo.gl/eZ5cNN

Looking forward to meeting you all there!

Cheers,
Ingo

Sad to see no mention of the Jitsi client.
I'm not interested in videobridge, it offers me no advantage, I don't do
multi-user video conferences, I only do one-to-one comms.

Seems to me that the devs are devoting 99% of their time to videobridge and
1% or less to the Jitsi client...

FC

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#5

Guys ... check out the libjitsi and jitsi commits. Check out the
number of nightly builds on Jitsi. Yes, work on Jitsi has slowed down,
but the 99 / 1 ratio is simply unreal. Hearing such things is very
demotivating (if anyone cares at all).

Oh and, how could I miss that point: Ingo, and Damian just spent a
number of days and nights to finish the packaging of our new stable
release that was pushed out today. Others helped. The fact that no one
noticed should probably encourage people to check their assumptions.

Emil

···

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

Also questions like: "i see that money can be a factor but, don't
understand why the team won't work more on jitsi" are very confusing
to me. We are human. We need food. We need to pay bills. Why is not
everyone on this mailing list doing their best to learn programming,
master the jitsi codebase and contribute? What is stopping Unix
administrators from acquiring the extra skills? Same reasons: we are
all human, we all live in the same constrained world.

Emil

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:16 PM, rsnewsbox <rsnewsbox@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi Fernando,
dear Developers

I do understand and also share your disappointment!

I have promoted Jitsi since its beginning to all my users/ colleagues
and friends intensely. I made tons of tests and case studies to be
able to help them getting rid of Skype. I asked them for patience till
the Android client is ready to go... Unfortunately I'm an Unix
Engineer but not a programmer, so can't contribute in that field.
And that all to find myself meanwhile confronted with the horrible
thought of installing Skype myself again!

What I do not understand - and I hope the Devs will enlighten me/us -
is the reasoning/ politics behind that move towards videobridge to
that extent. Even if the Devs could not make money with the Jitsi
client, they (still) have the chance to offer the very first open
source IM/VoIP/Video client on all platforms. And of course that must
include Android due to its dominance AND due to the dominance of
mobile computing itself. And this offer would be the best
advertisement for Jitsi Videobridge / Jitsi Meet ever! And therefore I
don't get it. Why do you guys chuck this massive X-factor away?
Imagine Jitsi really took off and is used by millions. Not only are
they a perfect base for advertising your (paid) services/ products but
also would they be great ambassadors for the Jitsi Product Family.

Almost daily we are getting confronted with yet another IM/VoIP
product, building up another little ecosystem of locked in users. Last
one is MEGAchat...
That is not the diversity I was looking for...

Please don't get me wrong, you guys have created an outstanding
product and your commitment is remarkable. Thank you!

John

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

We will have our stand on the 2nd floor in the K-building and hold the
following two talks:
- Scalable Video Conferencing with Jitsi Videobridge
  http://goo.gl/4ByvmC

- Jitsi Videobridge in Cryptoland
  http://goo.gl/eZ5cNN

Looking forward to meeting you all there!

Cheers,
Ingo

Sad to see no mention of the Jitsi client.
I'm not interested in videobridge, it offers me no advantage, I don't do
multi-user video conferences, I only do one-to-one comms.

Seems to me that the devs are devoting 99% of their time to videobridge and
1% or less to the Jitsi client...

FC

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#6

Well it's actually not advertised/offered through the automatic update yet, but we hope to do that today.

Freundliche Grüsse,
Ingo Bauersachs

-- Sent from my tablet

···

On 28.01.2015, at 06:03, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:59 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:
Guys ... check out the libjitsi and jitsi commits. Check out the
number of nightly builds on Jitsi. Yes, work on Jitsi has slowed down,
but the 99 / 1 ratio is simply unreal. Hearing such things is very
demotivating (if anyone cares at all).

Oh and, how could I miss that point: Ingo, and Damian just spent a
number of days and nights to finish the packaging of our new stable
release that was pushed out today. Others helped. The fact that no one
noticed should probably encourage people to check their assumptions.

Emil

Also questions like: "i see that money can be a factor but, don't
understand why the team won't work more on jitsi" are very confusing
to me. We are human. We need food. We need to pay bills. Why is not
everyone on this mailing list doing their best to learn programming,
master the jitsi codebase and contribute? What is stopping Unix
administrators from acquiring the extra skills? Same reasons: we are
all human, we all live in the same constrained world.

Emil

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:16 PM, rsnewsbox <rsnewsbox@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Fernando,
dear Developers

I do understand and also share your disappointment!

I have promoted Jitsi since its beginning to all my users/ colleagues
and friends intensely. I made tons of tests and case studies to be
able to help them getting rid of Skype. I asked them for patience till
the Android client is ready to go... Unfortunately I'm an Unix
Engineer but not a programmer, so can't contribute in that field.
And that all to find myself meanwhile confronted with the horrible
thought of installing Skype myself again!

What I do not understand - and I hope the Devs will enlighten me/us -
is the reasoning/ politics behind that move towards videobridge to
that extent. Even if the Devs could not make money with the Jitsi
client, they (still) have the chance to offer the very first open
source IM/VoIP/Video client on all platforms. And of course that must
include Android due to its dominance AND due to the dominance of
mobile computing itself. And this offer would be the best
advertisement for Jitsi Videobridge / Jitsi Meet ever! And therefore I
don't get it. Why do you guys chuck this massive X-factor away?
Imagine Jitsi really took off and is used by millions. Not only are
they a perfect base for advertising your (paid) services/ products but
also would they be great ambassadors for the Jitsi Product Family.

Almost daily we are getting confronted with yet another IM/VoIP
product, building up another little ecosystem of locked in users. Last
one is MEGAchat...
That is not the diversity I was looking for...

Please don't get me wrong, you guys have created an outstanding
product and your commitment is remarkable. Thank you!

John

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

We will have our stand on the 2nd floor in the K-building and hold the
following two talks:
- Scalable Video Conferencing with Jitsi Videobridge
http://goo.gl/4ByvmC

- Jitsi Videobridge in Cryptoland
http://goo.gl/eZ5cNN

Looking forward to meeting you all there!

Cheers,
Ingo

Sad to see no mention of the Jitsi client.
I'm not interested in videobridge, it offers me no advantage, I don't do
multi-user video conferences, I only do one-to-one comms.

Seems to me that the devs are devoting 99% of their time to videobridge and
1% or less to the Jitsi client...

FC

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#7

Hi Emil!

Sorry about that. I didn't mean to offend anyone. The 99/1 ratio is of
course a feeling, based on what I read on this list lately and the fact
that tweets on @JitsiNews have mentioned Jitsi Videobridge and webRTC
almost exclusively since last May 2014.

When I wrote that 99/1 I was also thinking specifically about message by
Ingo which said "So, while fundraising and the donations might help, it
would probably require a substantial amount of money. Given how few
attention Jitsi (especially the desktop client) gets despite all the spy
news, I don't really see that happening. (Yeah, I'm a known pessimist.)"

I will continue to keep an eye on Jitsi and download and test the nighty
builds, and recommend it to others, now that you're telling me development
is ongoing.

Thanks for sheding some light on this, Emil!. Much appreciated.

FC

···

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

Guys ... check out the libjitsi and jitsi commits. Check out the
number of nightly builds on Jitsi. Yes, work on Jitsi has slowed down,
but the 99 / 1 ratio is simply unreal. Hearing such things is very
demotivating (if anyone cares at all).

--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


#8

When I wrote that 99/1 I was also thinking specifically about message by Ingo
which said "So, while fundraising and the donations might help, it would
probably require a substantial amount of money. Given how few attention Jitsi
(especially the desktop client) gets despite all the spy news, I don't really
see that happening. (Yeah, I'm a known pessimist.)"

My quote wasn't about attention from us developers, but rather from the general media. E.g. the biggest German IT related news site (heise.de) not even once mentioned Jitsi while there's been heaps of news around the events of Snowden's leaks and the importance of secure communication, be it for chat or calls.

Ingo


#9

Hi Emil,

Thanks for taking the time and reply to our concerns. Maybe also worth
mentioning that my concern is more in regard to a missing Android
client than the Desktop client which is already of high quality.

And may I repeat my "Thank you!" to all the ones involved who make
Jitsi such a well known and successful project.
Apologies if my comment made your work feel not appreciated. This was
not my intention! And no doubt you guys need food and need to pay
bills.

Obviously I haven't been able to bring across the idea/ question I had
in mind. Let me please try again.
The question/ idea was whether from a business point of view the
investment into the Android version of Jitsi would pay off many times
by being able to offer a product nobody else does and therefore gain
more traction/ popularity also with your company/ paid services?
I assume you know best, as nobody from outside (like me) has knowledge
of the figures and concept of your business.

All the best,
John

PS: I've missed the release of the stable version as all my machines
exclusively run the unstable dev version :slight_smile:

···

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

Guys ... check out the libjitsi and jitsi commits. Check out the
number of nightly builds on Jitsi. Yes, work on Jitsi has slowed down,
but the 99 / 1 ratio is simply unreal. Hearing such things is very
demotivating (if anyone cares at all).

Also questions like: "i see that money can be a factor but, don't
understand why the team won't work more on jitsi" are very confusing
to me. We are human. We need food. We need to pay bills. Why is not
everyone on this mailing list doing their best to learn programming,
master the jitsi codebase and contribute? What is stopping Unix
administrators from acquiring the extra skills? Same reasons: we are
all human, we all live in the same constrained world.

Emil

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:16 PM, rsnewsbox <rsnewsbox@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi Fernando,
dear Developers

I do understand and also share your disappointment!

I have promoted Jitsi since its beginning to all my users/ colleagues
and friends intensely. I made tons of tests and case studies to be
able to help them getting rid of Skype. I asked them for patience till
the Android client is ready to go... Unfortunately I'm an Unix
Engineer but not a programmer, so can't contribute in that field.
And that all to find myself meanwhile confronted with the horrible
thought of installing Skype myself again!

What I do not understand - and I hope the Devs will enlighten me/us -
is the reasoning/ politics behind that move towards videobridge to
that extent. Even if the Devs could not make money with the Jitsi
client, they (still) have the chance to offer the very first open
source IM/VoIP/Video client on all platforms. And of course that must
include Android due to its dominance AND due to the dominance of
mobile computing itself. And this offer would be the best
advertisement for Jitsi Videobridge / Jitsi Meet ever! And therefore I
don't get it. Why do you guys chuck this massive X-factor away?
Imagine Jitsi really took off and is used by millions. Not only are
they a perfect base for advertising your (paid) services/ products but
also would they be great ambassadors for the Jitsi Product Family.

Almost daily we are getting confronted with yet another IM/VoIP
product, building up another little ecosystem of locked in users. Last
one is MEGAchat...
That is not the diversity I was looking for...

Please don't get me wrong, you guys have created an outstanding
product and your commitment is remarkable. Thank you!

John

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

We will have our stand on the 2nd floor in the K-building and hold the
following two talks:
- Scalable Video Conferencing with Jitsi Videobridge
  http://goo.gl/4ByvmC

- Jitsi Videobridge in Cryptoland
  http://goo.gl/eZ5cNN

Looking forward to meeting you all there!

Cheers,
Ingo

Sad to see no mention of the Jitsi client.
I'm not interested in videobridge, it offers me no advantage, I don't do
multi-user video conferences, I only do one-to-one comms.

Seems to me that the devs are devoting 99% of their time to videobridge and
1% or less to the Jitsi client...

FC

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#10

Sorry for the misunderstanding then!.

Btw: here TW acct cryptomars linked a Spiegel article on the NSA and
recommended Jitsi!
https://twitter.com/cryptomars/status/555179614667304960

A small step for security, a giant leap for Jitsi :slight_smile:

FC

···

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

My quote wasn't about attention from us developers, but rather from the
general media. E.g. the biggest German IT related news site (heise.de)
not even once mentioned Jitsi while there's been heaps of news around the
events of Snowden's leaks and the importance of secure communication, be it
for chat or calls.

--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


#11

"Hearing such things is very

demotivating (if anyone cares at all)."

The fact that no one
noticed should probably encourage people to check their assumptions.

Hey, Emil, I hear you loud and clear. Sorry for the 99/1 claim. It was an
exaggeration.

I didn´t mean to offend anyone. It was just my feeling that videobridge was
what you were pushing these days, and that the client was sidestepedt. At
least that was the impression I remember getting by reading a certain
thread that now I can´t find.

And please don´t make me feel bad now, I´ve been promoting Jitsi since I
first heard of it...
https://twitter.com/search?q=jitsi%20from%3Afcassia&src=typd

Also did some Spanish translation work before 2.3...

So, sorry for that comment. And I´m downloading 2.4 as I write this. So,
thanks for your work.
If anything positive can be taken from this exchange it would be this:
COMMUNICATE MORE about progress on the client.

How about a "Jitsi timeline". Or Jitsi Client News section on the web site
that shows developments ordered by date?
Ie "during January 2015, we closed the following bugs..." followed by a
list. Would be there a way to automatically generate such a list of bugs
closed per month -or last 6 months or whatever-? It´d make a very positive
image about the project.

Just my $0.02
FC

···

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell


#12

Hey John,

Hi Emil,

Thanks for taking the time and reply to our concerns. Maybe also worth
mentioning that my concern is more in regard to a missing Android
client than the Desktop client which is already of high quality.

Well it is quite unfair to use Android as a sign of decreasing activity given that our activity there has never been high to begin with.

People may well be frustrated that we are not adding their favourite features, but trying to convey that by statements like "You are not doing what I want so the project is likely going to hell" is not helping anyone.

And may I repeat my "Thank you!" to all the ones involved who make
Jitsi such a well known and successful project.

You are welcome!

Apologies if my comment made your work feel not appreciated. This was
not my intention! And no doubt you guys need food and need to pay
bills.

Obviously I haven't been able to bring across the idea/ question I had
in mind. Let me please try again.
The question/ idea was whether from a business point of view the
investment into the Android version of Jitsi would pay off many times
by being able to offer a product nobody else does and therefore gain
more traction/ popularity also with your company/ paid services?

Unfortunately, as we have learned through the past almost 13 years, mere popularity is only very loosely coupled with earnings.

Long story short, we didn't manage to come up with a viable plan where our Android version would be able to sustain itself and we don't believe that we could.

Those assessments are entirely based on our team and our capabilities. If anyone has good reasons to believe they can do better: they should.

Emil

···

On 27.01.15 23:58, rsnewsbox wrote:

I assume you know best, as nobody from outside (like me) has knowledge
of the figures and concept of your business.

All the best,
John

PS: I've missed the release of the stable version as all my machines
exclusively run the unstable dev version :slight_smile:

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

Guys ... check out the libjitsi and jitsi commits. Check out the
number of nightly builds on Jitsi. Yes, work on Jitsi has slowed down,
but the 99 / 1 ratio is simply unreal. Hearing such things is very
demotivating (if anyone cares at all).

Also questions like: "i see that money can be a factor but, don't
understand why the team won't work more on jitsi" are very confusing
to me. We are human. We need food. We need to pay bills. Why is not
everyone on this mailing list doing their best to learn programming,
master the jitsi codebase and contribute? What is stopping Unix
administrators from acquiring the extra skills? Same reasons: we are
all human, we all live in the same constrained world.

Emil

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:16 PM, rsnewsbox <rsnewsbox@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi Fernando,
dear Developers

I do understand and also share your disappointment!

I have promoted Jitsi since its beginning to all my users/ colleagues
and friends intensely. I made tons of tests and case studies to be
able to help them getting rid of Skype. I asked them for patience till
the Android client is ready to go... Unfortunately I'm an Unix
Engineer but not a programmer, so can't contribute in that field.
And that all to find myself meanwhile confronted with the horrible
thought of installing Skype myself again!

What I do not understand - and I hope the Devs will enlighten me/us -
is the reasoning/ politics behind that move towards videobridge to
that extent. Even if the Devs could not make money with the Jitsi
client, they (still) have the chance to offer the very first open
source IM/VoIP/Video client on all platforms. And of course that must
include Android due to its dominance AND due to the dominance of
mobile computing itself. And this offer would be the best
advertisement for Jitsi Videobridge / Jitsi Meet ever! And therefore I
don't get it. Why do you guys chuck this massive X-factor away?
Imagine Jitsi really took off and is used by millions. Not only are
they a perfect base for advertising your (paid) services/ products but
also would they be great ambassadors for the Jitsi Product Family.

Almost daily we are getting confronted with yet another IM/VoIP
product, building up another little ecosystem of locked in users. Last
one is MEGAchat...
That is not the diversity I was looking for...

Please don't get me wrong, you guys have created an outstanding
product and your commitment is remarkable. Thank you!

John

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

We will have our stand on the 2nd floor in the K-building and hold the
following two talks:
- Scalable Video Conferencing with Jitsi Videobridge
   http://goo.gl/4ByvmC

- Jitsi Videobridge in Cryptoland
   http://goo.gl/eZ5cNN

Looking forward to meeting you all there!

Cheers,
Ingo

Sad to see no mention of the Jitsi client.
I'm not interested in videobridge, it offers me no advantage, I don't do
multi-user video conferences, I only do one-to-one comms.

Seems to me that the devs are devoting 99% of their time to videobridge and
1% or less to the Jitsi client...

FC

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#13

I agree, I'm incredible happy to see that this project is active, and the date of nightly builds should be the best proof. Personally I would prefer more focus on the client itself, but if it's like 30/70 or 40/60, it's still very very fine. Because: Jitsi Meet is an awesome project. I know a lot of "non-technical" people which can't handle to install a client program to use casual video, text or audio chat, but know how to use their browser. Or you want to have a conversation with someone from the internet (for example a chat site, or an online game or whatever where secure or private communication is not possible), but persuading him / her to download the Jitsi client and adding him / her into a list of a Jabber account is just too much, especially if you are SURE that you probably won't have contact after that anymore. Maybe you already saw the project called Firefox Hello, but it has from my view currently a way too many flaws, like the missing text chat, which excludes instantly a wide range of users. Jitsi Meet is a lot better than Hello in my opinion, and who knows, maybe at one day it's a complete great operating-independent solution, because the browser handles everything (if it's not already the case!). If I'm too optimistic, please correct me :stuck_out_tongue:

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Emil Ivov wrote:
Also questions like: "i see that money can be a factor but, don't understand why the team won't work more on jitsi" are very confusing to me. We are human. We need food. We need to pay bills.
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I'm not sure if I have missed something, but I'm curious why there still isn't something like a donation button or -feature. Is there a donation feature? People can't help you with costs if there is no opportunity to donate. Someone which I know thought that it's maybe because you guys are using a commercial software for free, but the license says that you are not allowed to accept any kind of donation or payment at all. It was a thought of him, nothing really serious. But that's why I'm asking right now.
If I haven't seen it, I'm sorry, please point me to the site. Thanks a lot.


#14

+1
How about BountySource?
http://www.fastcolabs.com/3032481/is-this-the-crowdfunding-site-app-developers-have-been-wishing-for

FC

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On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Mr Tester <tester.test100@yahoo.de> wrote:

I'm not sure if I have missed something, but I'm curious why there still
isn't something like a donation button or -feature. Is there a donation
feature? People can't help you with costs if there is no opportunity to
donate. Someone which I know thought that it's maybe because you guys are
using a commercial software for free, but the license says that you are not
allowed to accept any kind of donation or payment at all. It was a thought
of him, nothing really serious. But that's why I'm asking right now.

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