[jitsi-users] Jitsi and google talk


#1

Hi,

1. Using jitsi I can do voice chat with other jitsi users on the jabber
server. Which XMPP extension does it use for voice in this case?

2. Why can't I do a voice chat with my buddies on google talk?

Can I get a detailed list of different SIP and XMPP protocol extensions,
variants of Jingle supported by Jitsi? I am interested in voice.

Cheers,
Adnan


#2

Hey Adnan,

На 07.07.11 14:33, Adnan написа:

Hi,

1. Using jitsi I can do voice chat with other jitsi users on the jabber
server. Which XMPP extension does it use for voice in this case?

XMPP Jingle. XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177

2. Why can't I do a voice chat with my buddies on google talk?

Because the Google Talk Clients don't support Jingle at this point and
use a different variant. We are currently working on supporting it.

Can I get a detailed list of different SIP and XMPP protocol extensions,
variants of Jingle supported by Jitsi? I am interested in voice.

You may want to have a look at http://jitsi.org/features

Hope this helps,
Emil


#3

This question has already been answered on the dev and/or users
mailing lists at
http://www.jitsi.org/index.php/Development/MailingLists. To make a
long story short, Google Talk uses a protocol which is a tad different
from the standard and we are already working on implementing it but we
are not finished yet.

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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Adnan <112linuxstockholm@gmail.com> wrote:

2. Why can't I do a voice chat with my buddies on google talk?


#4

Thanks for clarifying Emil.

I found following links pretty useful from the other posts in this mailing
list:

http://xmppjingle.blogspot.com/2011/06/standard-jingle-on-google.html

I wonder if jingle nodes P2P media relay is in the roadmap.
http://code.google.com/p/jinglenodes/

Thanks for the features link. I was looking for it.

//Adnan

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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

Hey Adnan,

На 07.07.11 14:33, Adnan написа:
> Hi,
>
> 1. Using jitsi I can do voice chat with other jitsi users on the jabber
> server. Which XMPP extension does it use for voice in this case?

XMPP Jingle. XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177

> 2. Why can't I do a voice chat with my buddies on google talk?

Because the Google Talk Clients don't support Jingle at this point and
use a different variant. We are currently working on supporting it.

> Can I get a detailed list of different SIP and XMPP protocol extensions,
> variants of Jingle supported by Jitsi? I am interested in voice.

You may want to have a look at http://jitsi.org/features

Hope this helps,
Emil


#5

Jitsi already support it. You just need to find a XMPP provider that supports it. IIRC talkr.im supports it and I heard about Jabber.org that will also install a JingleNodes relay in the future.

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Le 07/07/11 16:11, Adnan a écrit :

Thanks for clarifying Emil.

I found following links pretty useful from the other posts in this mailing list:

http://xmppjingle.blogspot.com/2011/06/standard-jingle-on-google.html

I wonder if jingle nodes P2P media relay is in the roadmap.
http://code.google.com/p/jinglenodes/

--
Seb

Thanks for the features link. I was looking for it.

//Adnan

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org > <mailto:emcho@jitsi.org>> wrote:

    Hey Adnan,

    На 07.07.11 14:33, Adnan написа:
    > Hi,
    >
    > 1. Using jitsi I can do voice chat with other jitsi users on the
    jabber
    > server. Which XMPP extension does it use for voice in this case?

    XMPP Jingle. XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177

    > 2. Why can't I do a voice chat with my buddies on google talk?

    Because the Google Talk Clients don't support Jingle at this point and
    use a different variant. We are currently working on supporting it.

    > Can I get a detailed list of different SIP and XMPP protocol
    extensions,
    > variants of Jingle supported by Jitsi? I am interested in voice.

    You may want to have a look at http://jitsi.org/features

    Hope this helps,
    Emil


#6

На 07.07.11 16:18, Sebastien Vincent написа:

Thanks for clarifying Emil.

I found following links pretty useful from the other posts in this
mailing list:

http://xmppjingle.blogspot.com/2011/06/standard-jingle-on-google.html

I wonder if jingle nodes P2P media relay is in the roadmap.
http://code.google.com/p/jinglenodes/

Jitsi already support it. You just need to find a XMPP provider that
supports it. IIRC talkr.im supports it and I heard about Jabber.org that
will also install a JingleNodes relay in the future.

They both did at some point but unfortunately neither seems to be doing
it anymore.

Breaking News: we'll probably be beta-launching an XMPP service on
jit.si next wee and it will definitely be running a Jingle nodes relay.

Emil

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Le 07/07/11 16:11, Adnan a écrit :

--
Seb

Thanks for the features link. I was looking for it.

//Adnan

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org >> <mailto:emcho@jitsi.org>> wrote:

    Hey Adnan,

    На 07.07.11 14:33, Adnan написа:
    > Hi,
    >
    > 1. Using jitsi I can do voice chat with other jitsi users on the
    jabber
    > server. Which XMPP extension does it use for voice in this case?

    XMPP Jingle. XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177

    > 2. Why can't I do a voice chat with my buddies on google talk?

    Because the Google Talk Clients don't support Jingle at this point and
    use a different variant. We are currently working on supporting it.

    > Can I get a detailed list of different SIP and XMPP protocol
    extensions,
    > variants of Jingle supported by Jitsi? I am interested in voice.

    You may want to have a look at http://jitsi.org/features

    Hope this helps,
    Emil

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#7

Just a thought, Emil, have you approached companies like RedHat,
Canonical, or Oracle (since Jitsi is a top notch example of a Java
application) to see if they´re interested in donating to the
development of Jitsi?.

If not money, I´m sure they could contribute employees to help with
the development.

I think Jitsi is one of the less known jewels of open source software
... and certainly deserves to become the de-facto open source client
for voice, video, and text person-to-person chat.

If you need contacts, please let me know off-list, I´d be more than
happy to introduce Jitsi to people in these firms...

FC

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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 11:48, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

Emil Ivov, Ph.D. 67000 Strasbourg,
Project Lead France
Jitsi


#8

На 07.07.11 16:18, Sebastien Vincent написа:

Thanks for clarifying Emil.

I found following links pretty useful from the other posts in this
mailing list:

http://xmppjingle.blogspot.com/2011/06/standard-jingle-on-google.html

I wonder if jingle nodes P2P media relay is in the roadmap.
http://code.google.com/p/jinglenodes/

Jitsi already support it. You just need to find a XMPP provider that
supports it. IIRC talkr.im supports it and I heard about Jabber.org that
will also install a JingleNodes relay in the future.

They both did at some point but unfortunately neither seems to be doing
it anymore.

Breaking News: we'll probably be beta-launching an XMPP service on
jit.si next wee and it will definitely be running a Jingle nodes relay.

Emil

Nice! Thanks for that! I might have the need for some accounts soon :slight_smile:

Is it just me or is Jitsi one of the most underrated pieces of software
out there. Thanks for empowering the users so much! It's a pleasure.
Jitsi leaves no excuse for any non-encrypted way of communicating.

:slight_smile:

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Am 07.07.2011 16:48, schrieb Emil Ivov:

Le 07/07/11 16:11, Adnan a écrit :

--
Seb

Thanks for the features link. I was looking for it.

//Adnan

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org >>> <mailto:emcho@jitsi.org>> wrote:

    Hey Adnan,

    На 07.07.11 14:33, Adnan написа:
    > Hi,
    >
    > 1. Using jitsi I can do voice chat with other jitsi users on the
    jabber
    > server. Which XMPP extension does it use for voice in this case?

    XMPP Jingle. XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177

    > 2. Why can't I do a voice chat with my buddies on google talk?

    Because the Google Talk Clients don't support Jingle at this point and
    use a different variant. We are currently working on supporting it.

    > Can I get a detailed list of different SIP and XMPP protocol
    extensions,
    > variants of Jingle supported by Jitsi? I am interested in voice.

    You may want to have a look at http://jitsi.org/features

    Hope this helps,
    Emil

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#9

Jitsi already support it. You just need to find a XMPP provider that
supports it. IIRC talkr.im supports it and I heard about Jabber.org that
will also install a JingleNodes relay in the future.

They both did at some point but unfortunately neither seems to be doing
it anymore.

When Jingle Nodes have to relay video traffic that can lead to
significant bandwidth usage on the Jingle Node server. I have read that
during a full Google+ Hangout there are about 1 GB data transferred
within one hour. Maybe that is one reason why there is some reluctance
to run Jingle Nodes.

My last information (about two weeks ago) is that jabber.org does intend
to run a Jingle Node.

Breaking News: we'll probably be beta-launching an XMPP service on
jit.si next wee and it will definitely be running a Jingle nodes relay.

Great! I also am still thinking about running a Jingle Node and am
researching server requirements - and how to deal with high bandwidth
demands.

Cheers,
Andreas

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Am 07.07.2011 16:48, schrieb Emil Ivov:


#10

That's pretty cool.

Need to know how can jitsi's jingle node media relay capability can be
tested?

I have an ejabber server running, does it support it or any other jabber
server?

Or if kamailio has a jingle p2p media relay module..

Shall really appreciate any input here.

Regards,
Adnan

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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Martin Kepplinger <martinkepplinger@eml.cc>wrote:

Am 07.07.2011 16:48, schrieb Emil Ivov:
>
>
> На 07.07.11 16:18, Sebastien Vincent написа:
>> Le 07/07/11 16:11, Adnan a écrit :
>>> Thanks for clarifying Emil.
>>>
>>> I found following links pretty useful from the other posts in this
>>> mailing list:
>>>
>>> http://xmppjingle.blogspot.com/2011/06/standard-jingle-on-google.html
>>>
>>> I wonder if jingle nodes P2P media relay is in the roadmap.
>>> http://code.google.com/p/jinglenodes/
>>
>> Jitsi already support it. You just need to find a XMPP provider that
>> supports it. IIRC talkr.im supports it and I heard about Jabber.org
that
>> will also install a JingleNodes relay in the future.
>
> They both did at some point but unfortunately neither seems to be doing
> it anymore.
>
> Breaking News: we'll probably be beta-launching an XMPP service on
> jit.si next wee and it will definitely be running a Jingle nodes relay.
>
> Emil

Nice! Thanks for that! I might have the need for some accounts soon :slight_smile:

Is it just me or is Jitsi one of the most underrated pieces of software
out there. Thanks for empowering the users so much! It's a pleasure.
Jitsi leaves no excuse for any non-encrypted way of communicating.

:slight_smile:

>>
>> --
>> Seb
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the features link. I was looking for it.
>>>
>>> //Adnan
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org > >>> <mailto:emcho@jitsi.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Adnan,
>>>
>>> На 07.07.11 14:33, Adnan написа:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > 1. Using jitsi I can do voice chat with other jitsi users on the
>>> jabber
>>> > server. Which XMPP extension does it use for voice in this case?
>>>
>>> XMPP Jingle. XEP-0166, XEP-0167, XEP-0176, XEP-0177
>>>
>>> > 2. Why can't I do a voice chat with my buddies on google talk?
>>>
>>> Because the Google Talk Clients don't support Jingle at this point
and
>>> use a different variant. We are currently working on supporting it.
>>>
>>> > Can I get a detailed list of different SIP and XMPP protocol
>>> extensions,
>>> > variants of Jingle supported by Jitsi? I am interested in voice.
>>>
>>> You may want to have a look at http://jitsi.org/features
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Emil
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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