[jitsi-users] Java 7?


#1

Hi,

I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of what seemed like a reasonable course of action here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x

So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to me that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java 7 on any platform?

I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances use Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.


#2

I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.

···

On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:

Hi,

I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of what seemed like a reasonable course of action here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x
So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to me that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java 7 on any platform?

I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances use Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.

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#3

Hi,

the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
video issues and switch the java version.
Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
without any issues.

Regards
damencho

···

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com> wrote:

I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.

On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:

Hi,

I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of
what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x

So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to me
that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java 7
on any platform?

I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances use
Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.

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#4

There are huge security issues with Java 6. I need to log into VPNs for financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail.

Hi,

the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
video issues and switch the java version.
Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
without any issues.

Regards
damencho

···

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com> wrote:

I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.

On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:

Hi,

I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of
what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x

So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to me
that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java 7
on any platform?

I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances use
Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.

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#5

I use Oracle Java 7 with Jitsi on my Ubuntu system. Oracle Java 8 didn't work at all with Jitsi..

···

On 06/25/2014 12:23 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:

There are huge security issues with Java 6. I need to log into VPNs for financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail.

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov > <damencho@jitsi.org> wrote:

Hi,

the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
video issues and switch the java version.
Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
without any issues.

Regards
damencho

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com > <mailto:jfervin@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.
>
> On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of
> what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x
>
> So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to me
> that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java 7
> on any platform?
>
> I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances use
> Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.
>
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> Orlando, FL 32817
> jervin@jervin.com <mailto:jervin@jervin.com>
> 407-679-6238
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#6

We distribute Jitsi with Java 7 for Windows. Java6 is only used on OS X.

What security issues are you worried about? The ones that I am aware of are
onpy relarlted to browser use so as long as that is disabled you should be
fine.

--sent from my mobile

···

On 25 Jun 2014 7:29 PM, "Ken Roberts" <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

There are huge security issues with Java 6. I need to log into VPNs for
financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail.

  On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org> > wrote:

Hi,

the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
video issues and switch the java version.
Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
without any issues.

Regards
damencho

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.
>
> On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of
> what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x
>
> So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to
me
> that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using
java 7
> on any platform?
>
> I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances
use
> Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> users mailing list
> users@jitsi.org
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>
>
> --
>
> John F. Ervin
> Central Florida TeleSource LLC
> 10151 University Blvd #224
> Orlando, FL 32817
> jervin@jervin.com
> 407-679-6238
> http://jervin.com/cft

>
>
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#7

The VPNs I use to connect to banking systems check for Java 6 and if it's installed on the system, I don't get to log in. These VPNs are necessary for me to do my job.

We distribute Jitsi with Java 7 for Windows. Java6 is only used on OS X.
What security issues are you worried about? The ones that I am aware of are onpy relarlted to browser use so as long as that is disabled you should be fine.
--sent from my mobile

There are huge security issues with Java 6. I need to log into VPNs for financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail.

Hi,

the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
video issues and switch the java version.
Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
without any issues.

Regards
damencho

I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.

Hi,

I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of
what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x

So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to me
that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java 7
on any platform?

I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances use

Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.

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jervin@jervin.com

407-679-6238

···

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:27 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:
On 25 Jun 2014 7:29 PM, "Ken Roberts" <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com> wrote:

On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:
http://jervin.com/cft

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#8

Besides that, this is unsupported software. Not only is java 7 out, java 8 is just about out.

Even more important, Apple's Java 6 is not compliant with any Java standard in the UI. I write Java apps, you have to code specifically for Apple if you want to do anything fancy, because layout does not work the same way, and what is visible on standard Java is not necessarily be visible to a Mac user.

My company cheered when Oracle started supporting Java for the Mac. How could you not want to only code for one platform?

The VPNs I use to connect to banking systems check for Java 6 and if it's installed on the system, I don't get to log in. These VPNs are necessary for me to do my job.

We distribute Jitsi with Java 7 for Windows. Java6 is only used on OS X.
What security issues are you worried about? The ones that I am aware of are onpy relarlted to browser use so as long as that is disabled you should be fine.
--sent from my mobile

There are huge security issues with Java 6. I need to log into VPNs for financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail.

Hi,

the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
video issues and switch the java version.
Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
without any issues.

Regards
damencho

I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.

Hi,

I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of
what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x

So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to me
that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java 7
on any platform?

I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances use

Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.

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···

On , Ken Roberts <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:27 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:
On 25 Jun 2014 7:29 PM, "Ken Roberts" <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com> wrote:

On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:
http://jervin.com/cft

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#9

These are financial institutions. Tell me you can't construct a scenario where I might have compromised a Mac using Java6 and a web browser, and through that expose the bank's internal network to harm.

Also, since this is unsupported software the vigilance in finding vulnerabilities is less IMO. They might not be reported as fast, or at all, and any new vulnerabilities will never, ever be fixed.

Besides that, this is unsupported software. Not only is java 7 out, java 8 is just about out.

Even more important, Apple's Java 6 is not compliant with any Java standard in the UI. I write Java apps, you have to code specifically for Apple if you want to do anything fancy, because layout does not work the same way, and what is visible on standard Java is not necessarily be visible to a Mac user.

My company cheered when Oracle started supporting Java for the Mac. How could you not want to only code for one platform?

The VPNs I use to connect to banking systems check for Java 6 and if it's installed on the system, I don't get to log in. These VPNs are necessary for me to do my job.

We distribute Jitsi with Java 7 for Windows. Java6 is only used on OS X.
What security issues are you worried about? The ones that I am aware of are onpy relarlted to browser use so as long as that is disabled you should be fine.
--sent from my mobile

There are huge security issues with Java 6. I need to log into VPNs for financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail.

Hi,

the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
video issues and switch the java version.
Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
without any issues.

Regards
damencho

I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.

Hi,

I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of
what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x

So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to me
that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java 7
on any platform?

I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances use

Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.

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407-679-6238

···

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:18 AM, Ken Roberts <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:
On , Ken Roberts <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:27 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:
On 25 Jun 2014 7:29 PM, "Ken Roberts" <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com> wrote:

On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:
http://jervin.com/cft

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#10

The VPNs I use to connect to banking systems check for Java 6 and if it's
installed on the system, I don't get to log in. These VPNs are necessary
for me to do my job.

I completely understand your pain, however there is no reason for a
VPN client to refuse to work on mere sight of Java6, given that in
itself that's not an indication of risk. Have you considered
submitting a bug report to the editor of your VPN client?

Emil

···

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Ken Roberts <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:27 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

We distribute Jitsi with Java 7 for Windows. Java6 is only used on OS X.
What security issues are you worried about? The ones that I am aware of are
onpy relarlted to browser use so as long as that is disabled you should be
fine.
--sent from my mobile
On 25 Jun 2014 7:29 PM, "Ken Roberts" <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

There are huge security issues with Java 6. I need to log into VPNs for
financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail.

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org> > wrote:

Hi,

the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
video issues and switch the java version.
Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
without any issues.

Regards
damencho

On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com> wrote:

I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.

On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:

Hi,

I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one post of
what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x

So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it seems to
me
that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone using java
7
on any platform?

I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any circumstances
use
Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.

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#11

These are financial institutions.

Just to be clear: by that you mean that you want us to address your problem in Jitsi because the people that are actually causing it are unlikely to respond to your complaints. Right?

Tell me you can't construct a
scenario where I might have compromised a Mac using Java6 and a web
browser, and through that expose the bank's internal network to harm.

I can construct a scenario where that has happened even if Java 6 has been removed. I can actually construct a scenario where that has happened even if you haven't had Java installed on your computer.

Also, since this is unsupported software the vigilance in finding
vulnerabilities is less IMO. They might not be reported as fast, or at
all, and any new vulnerabilities will never, ever be fixed.

This is true but again, you won't have to worry about those vulnerabilities if you simply disable Java use in your browser.

Even more important, Apple's Java 6 is not compliant with any Java
standard in the UI. I write Java apps, you have to code specifically
for Apple if you want to do anything fancy, because layout does not
work the same way, and what is visible on standard Java is not
necessarily be visible to a Mac user.

I don't see how this is relevant. (It's also not exactly the experience we have but again, this is totally besides the point).

My company cheered when Oracle started supporting Java for the Mac.
How could you not want to only code for one platform? >

You seem to be under the impression that lack of support for Java 7 in Jitsi for OS X is due to some mere stubbornness on our behalf ... or perhaps laziness ... or both.

We have actual problems with Java 7. Damian already wrote to you that our video renderers do not work with Java 7 on OS X. Video does not show or hides in between panels. It also kind of trails behind when moving windows. We have to fix this before going for Java 7. We actually spent a couple of weeks creating our launches for Java 7 but haven't had the time to address this one.

You mention that you are a coder so maybe you could do it?

Emil

···

On 26.06.14, 18:25, Ken Roberts wrote:

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:18 AM, Ken Roberts <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

Besides that, this is unsupported software. Not only is java 7 out,
java 8 is just about out.

Even more important, Apple's Java 6 is not compliant with any Java
standard in the UI. I write Java apps, you have to code specifically
for Apple if you want to do anything fancy, because layout does not work
the same way, and what is visible on standard Java is not necessarily be
visible to a Mac user.

My company cheered when Oracle started supporting Java for the Mac. How
could you not want to only code for one platform?

On , Ken Roberts <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

The VPNs I use to connect to banking systems check for Java 6 and if
it's installed on the system, I don't get to log in. These VPNs are
necessary for me to do my job.

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:27 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

We distribute Jitsi with Java 7 for Windows. Java6 is only used on OS X.
What security issues are you worried about? The ones that I am aware of
are onpy relarlted to browser use so as long as that is disabled you
should be fine.
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On 25 Jun 2014 7:29 PM, "Ken Roberts" <k3tch4p@yahoo.com > <mailto:k3tch4p@yahoo.com>> wrote:

    There are huge security issues with Java 6. I need to log into VPNs
    for financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail.

    On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov > <damencho@jitsi.org <mailto:damencho@jitsi.org>> wrote:

    Hi,

    the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
    that version of java. Although on macosx there are some problems with
    video preview which we still need to address. And Jitsi uses the
    apple's application launcher which supports only java 1.6, we have a
    new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
    video issues and switch the java version.
    Personally I don't see a problem using java 1.6, I do it all day
    without any issues.

    Regards
    damencho

    On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin <jfervin@gmail.com> wrote:
     > I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem.
     >
     > On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:
     >
     > Hi,
     >
     > I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one
    post of
     > what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
     >
    http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x
     >
     > So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it
    seems to me
     > that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform? Is anyone
    using java 7
     > on any platform?
     >
     > I'm a Java developer, and I use OSX. I will not under any
    circumstances use
     > Java 6. I would really like to use Jitsi.
     >
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#12

Emil,

Regarding banks:

I work with these guys. There is no way they would remove any out-of-support software from their "no fly" list. Doing so would make them legally culpable if somebody hacked in using that software. Imagine the news report: "Bank hacked using outdated software which was removed from banned list AFTER it was out of support." Frankly that would be the job of not only the person who removed it from the list, but also of anyone who had oversight or even knowledge without reporting it, even if there were no CVEs.

Surely if your decisions risked millions of dollars of potential loss, you would feel a bit more conservative. Banks can blamestorm better than politicians can, and unlike politicians every change to data or policy has a name attached to it. I've been stuck in a 2 hour meeting with 12 people in it discussing whether they could change a password on a report server that wasn't even reachable from outside their LAN by any means. Seriously. That was the sole purpose of the meeting and the only thing covered.

Further, if they found out some sort of "out of support" software was being used in connection with their systems but not banned already, that software would be on their "no fly" list before the end of the day. That's about the only time they're fast at anything.

Getting back to the point:

I started asking these questions because I had downloaded the source from git with intent to try compiling it on Java 7, started looking at build.xml and thought it looked like the whole app is intended to use Java 6 even on Windows, when I thought I saw a lot of talk about it working on Java 7.

I can't dedicate a lot of time to this, but I'm certainly willing to look. Video is something I've never done with Java. My expertise is with database work mostly, but I also know a set of unfamiliar eyes often sees things that are passed over by those who know.

The type of tearing you're talking about reminds me of the early days of video on computers. Are you rendering right to the screen or are you using frame buffers? Or maybe there's a problem with hardware acceleration in the video driver? I can't believe that, but it might be something to look at. Your Windows and Linux java 7 apps work fine?

These are financial institutions.

Just to be clear: by that you mean that you want us to address your
problem in Jitsi because the people that are actually causing it are
unlikely to respond to your complaints. Right?

Tell me you can't construct a
scenario where I might have compromised a Mac using Java6 and a web
browser, and through that expose the bank's internal network to harm.

I can construct a scenario where that has happened even if Java 6 has
been removed. I can actually construct a scenario where that has
happened even if you haven't had Java installed on your computer.

Also, since this is unsupported software the vigilance in finding
vulnerabilities is less IMO. They might not be reported as fast, or at
all, and any new vulnerabilities will never, ever be fixed.

This is true but again, you won't have to worry about those
vulnerabilities if you simply disable Java use in your browser.

Even more important, Apple's Java 6 is not compliant with any Java
standard in the UI. I write Java apps, you have to code specifically
for Apple if you want to do anything fancy, because layout does not
work the same way, and what is visible on standard Java is not
necessarily be visible to a Mac user.

I don't see how this is relevant. (It's also not exactly the experience
we have but again, this is totally besides the point).

My company cheered when Oracle started supporting Java for the Mac.
How could you not want to only code for one platform? >

You seem to be under the impression that lack of support for Java 7 in
Jitsi for OS X is due to some mere stubbornness on our behalf ... or
perhaps laziness ... or both.

We have actual problems with Java 7. Damian already wrote to you that
our video renderers do not work with Java 7 on OS X. Video does not show
or hides in between panels. It also kind of trails behind when moving
windows. We have to fix this before going for Java 7. We actually spent
a couple of weeks creating our launches for Java 7 but haven't had the
time to address this one.

You mention that you are a coder so maybe you could do it?

Emil

···

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:09 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:
On 26.06.14, 18:25, Ken Roberts wrote:

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:18 AM, Ken Roberts <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

Besides that, this is unsupported software. Not only is java 7 out,
java 8 is just about out.

Even more important, Apple's Java 6 is not compliant with any Java
standard in the UI. I write Java apps, you have to code specifically
for Apple if you want to do anything fancy, because layout does not work
the same way, and what is visible on standard Java is not necessarily be
visible to a Mac user.

My company cheered when Oracle started supporting Java for the Mac. How
could you not want to only code for one platform?

On , Ken Roberts <k3tch4p@yahoo.com> wrote:

The VPNs I use to connect to banking systems check for Java 6 and if
it's installed on the system, I don't get to log in. These VPNs are
necessary for me to do my job.

On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:27 AM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

We distribute Jitsi with Java 7 for Windows. Java6 is only used on OS X.
What security issues are you worried about? The ones that I am aware of
are onpy relarlted to browser use so as long as that is disabled you
should be fine.
--sent from my mobile
On 25 Jun 2014 7:29 PM, "Ken Roberts" <k3tch4p@yahoo.com > <mailto:k3tch4p@yahoo.com>> wrote:

 There are huge security issues with Java 6\.  I need to log into VPNs
 for financial institutions, java6 is an automatic fail\.

 On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:35 AM, Damian Minkov &gt;     &lt;damencho@jitsi\.org &lt;mailto:damencho@jitsi\.org&gt;&gt; wrote:

 Hi,

 the windows installer comes with java7 bundled, so Jitsi do work with
 that version of java\. Although on macosx there are some problems with
 video preview which we still need to address\. And Jitsi uses the
 apple&#39;s application launcher which supports only java 1\.6, we have a
 new launcher almost ready, we just need to find time to fix those
 video issues and switch the java version\.
 Personally I don&#39;t see a problem using java 1\.6, I do it all day
 without any issues\.

 Regards
 damencho

 On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 3:15 AM, John Ervin &lt;jfervin@gmail\.com&gt; wrote:
  &gt; I thought it was Oracle Java 8 with the problem\.
  &gt;
  &gt; On 06/24/2014 07:28 PM, Ken Roberts wrote:
  &gt;
  &gt; Hi,
  &gt;
  &gt; I saw endless grief on OSX/Java 7 already on the forum, plus one
 post of
  &gt; what seemed like a reasonable course of action here:
  &gt;
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14806709/application-is-using-java-6-from-apple-instead-of-java-7-from-oracle-on-mac-os-x
  &gt;
  &gt;  So I got the source from github and went about updating it, it
 seems to me
  &gt; that jitsi is java 6 only, no matter what platform?  Is anyone
 using java 7
  &gt; on any platform?
  &gt;
  &gt; I&#39;m a Java developer, and I use OSX\.  I will not under any
 circumstances use
  &gt; Java 6\.  I would really like to use Jitsi\.
  &gt;
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  &gt; Orlando, FL 32817
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