[jitsi-users] IRC Problems


#1

Hi,

I recently registered an IRC nick. Unfortunately, I was not able to use
Jitsi for it (I used XChat to get it done), because Jitsi can only enter
chat room directly, but not communicate with the server....

(See here: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup)

So my first question is:
    Is it possible with Jitsi to communicate with the Sever? If yes,
how? If no, why? Are there any Plans to change this?

Furthermore, using XChat, I observed that XChat shows much nice user
information than Jitsi (this relates to cloaks ->
https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks).

My second question:
    Why does Jitsi only show limited information? It would be really
nice to get more meta data.

Using my new registered nick, each time I login, a new window pops up
and I get a message from "NickServ" telling me that I logged in.

This is quite annoying...

In the same chat room, a LogBot was installed recently. I also get a
message from the LogBot (in an own window), telling my that this chat is
logged. Basically, I appreciate this message, however, I think it should
be shown in the chat window itself, and not in a new window. "LogBot" is
just another participant in the chat.

This too, is quite annoying...

Question 3:
  Is there any configuration (I did not find one) that allows me to get
rid of those windows popping up. Or is this kind of a "bug" (unfortunate
behavior of Jitsi)?

Thanks for your time.

-Matthias


#2

Hi,

I recently registered an IRC nick. Unfortunately, I was not able to use
Jitsi for it (I used XChat to get it done), because Jitsi can only enter
chat room directly, but not communicate with the server....

(See here: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup)

So my first question is:
    Is it possible with Jitsi to communicate with the Sever? If yes,
how? If no, why? Are there any Plans to change this?

You are correct that there is no "system chatroom" or something similar
that isn't related to a channel. There are some basic commands
available. One is '/msg <target> <message>' (IIRC I haven't needed it in
a while) that you can use to specify a target explicitly and type a
message. Though keep in mind that these commands do not work if you have
an OTR session established, as there is no (reliable) way to distinguish
between commands targeted at the other (OTR) user or general commands
which do not contain private data.

So basically, just get a window in one way or another and you can send
messages to any target (channel/nick) that you like using the command.

Also, there's a '/join <target>' command so you can also quickly join a
new channel if you like.

Furthermore, using XChat, I observed that XChat shows much nice user
information than Jitsi (this relates to cloaks ->
https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks).

My second question:
    Why does Jitsi only show limited information? It would be really
nice to get more meta data.

IIUC this is just a replacement "dummy" hostname. For now I have focused
on supporting the most prominent UI features of Jitsi. The extra (whois)
information for a nick/user was simply not high enough on the list. Do
you mean that this is shown in the nick list? Or just the whois information?

Using my new registered nick, each time I login, a new window pops up
and I get a message from "NickServ" telling me that I logged in.

This is quite annoying...

These are probably notices. The issue with these is that you can't
really what the "root cause" (channel join) is that triggered the bot to
send the message, as the message/notice itself is targeted to a user -
not a channel. I chose to *not* simply display the notice in the active
tab, as this could be totally unrelated. Keeping it related to the
sending user was the other options, but it does mean that a window
popups up.

So far I found it quite acceptable to close the window with a hot key.

In the same chat room, a LogBot was installed recently. I also get a
message from the LogBot (in an own window), telling my that this chat is
logged. Basically, I appreciate this message, however, I think it should
be shown in the chat window itself, and not in a new window. "LogBot" is
just another participant in the chat.

This too, is quite annoying...

As you'll understand, the same answer as above applies :slight_smile:

Question 3:
  Is there any configuration (I did not find one) that allows me to get
rid of those windows popping up. Or is this kind of a "bug" (unfortunate
behavior of Jitsi)?

Please be a little bit more specific here. I'm assuming you mean
something other than chat windows, so which windows are you referring
to? If you are referring to chat windows, you can group chat windows in
a tabbed chat window, so then you should only have one.

Danny

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On 24-09-15 17:59, Matthias J. Sax wrote:

Thanks for your time.

-Matthias

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#3

Hi Danny,

yes, I am missing a "system chat room". Using XChat it was straight
forward to send commands to the server. On the left hand side, you see
the server name and the chat room you are logged in. If you click on the
server name, you can use the chat window to communicate with the server.
(See attached screenshot of XChat)

You mentioned that some commands are available. But how can I send
those? I can only open a IRC chat window via "File -> Add chat room". Or
do you mean I can enter those command in any chat room window?

About the meta info, see the attached screen shot of what XChat offers
vs. Jitsi. It's of course not important, but would be nice to have.

About the messages from "NickServ" and "LogBot" (and the new chat
windows popping up). Thanks for clarifying. It is unfortunate that this
are message that go to the user directly the "root cause" cannot be
"tracked down". I think I need to accept it... I am just wondering how
XChat can link it to the chat room that was just entered and displays
the LogBot message within the chat window. (See screenshot)

As an alternative, would it be possible to block a user? So I could just
block "NickServ" and/or "LogBot".

One more question about login: From NickServ, I get two messages:

NickServ: This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
NickServ: You are now identified for mjsax.

It seems that Jisti does not send the password immediately. Furthermore,
the UI itself does not show any information if the login was successful
or not (ie, if I am logged in via a registered name plus password or an
unregistered name). Would be nice if a chat room in the list could
display something (maybe a check mark) to see if a registered login was
used or not. Or include this information in the tooltip.

Maybe you like some of my idea on how Jitsi can be improved. :slight_smile:

-Matthias

···

On 09/24/2015 08:33 PM, Danny van Heumen wrote:

On 24-09-15 17:59, Matthias J. Sax wrote:

Hi,

I recently registered an IRC nick. Unfortunately, I was not able to use
Jitsi for it (I used XChat to get it done), because Jitsi can only enter
chat room directly, but not communicate with the server....

(See here: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup)

So my first question is:
    Is it possible with Jitsi to communicate with the Sever? If yes,
how? If no, why? Are there any Plans to change this?

You are correct that there is no "system chatroom" or something similar
that isn't related to a channel. There are some basic commands
available. One is '/msg <target> <message>' (IIRC I haven't needed it in
a while) that you can use to specify a target explicitly and type a
message. Though keep in mind that these commands do not work if you have
an OTR session established, as there is no (reliable) way to distinguish
between commands targeted at the other (OTR) user or general commands
which do not contain private data.

So basically, just get a window in one way or another and you can send
messages to any target (channel/nick) that you like using the command.

Also, there's a '/join <target>' command so you can also quickly join a
new channel if you like.

Furthermore, using XChat, I observed that XChat shows much nice user
information than Jitsi (this relates to cloaks ->
https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks).

My second question:
    Why does Jitsi only show limited information? It would be really
nice to get more meta data.

IIUC this is just a replacement "dummy" hostname. For now I have focused
on supporting the most prominent UI features of Jitsi. The extra (whois)
information for a nick/user was simply not high enough on the list. Do
you mean that this is shown in the nick list? Or just the whois information?

Using my new registered nick, each time I login, a new window pops up
and I get a message from "NickServ" telling me that I logged in.

This is quite annoying...

These are probably notices. The issue with these is that you can't
really what the "root cause" (channel join) is that triggered the bot to
send the message, as the message/notice itself is targeted to a user -
not a channel. I chose to *not* simply display the notice in the active
tab, as this could be totally unrelated. Keeping it related to the
sending user was the other options, but it does mean that a window
popups up.

So far I found it quite acceptable to close the window with a hot key.

In the same chat room, a LogBot was installed recently. I also get a
message from the LogBot (in an own window), telling my that this chat is
logged. Basically, I appreciate this message, however, I think it should
be shown in the chat window itself, and not in a new window. "LogBot" is
just another participant in the chat.

This too, is quite annoying...

As you'll understand, the same answer as above applies :slight_smile:

Question 3:
  Is there any configuration (I did not find one) that allows me to get
rid of those windows popping up. Or is this kind of a "bug" (unfortunate
behavior of Jitsi)?

Please be a little bit more specific here. I'm assuming you mean
something other than chat windows, so which windows are you referring
to? If you are referring to chat windows, you can group chat windows in
a tabbed chat window, so then you should only have one.

Danny

Thanks for your time.

-Matthias

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