[jitsi-users] Feedback after FOSDEM (some Desktop, mostly Android ; ))

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Hi,

thanks to the support provided at the Jitsi booth at FOSDEM, I finally
got Jitsi working with audio and video out of the box, even with
bidirectional audio ;)! It works perfectly with the Desktop version.
However, I cannot get it to work with the Android client:

I updated to the latest nightly build, which includes a fix for Jingle
Relay discovery (thanks, Pawel!), and according to the logs, a relay is
now found when logging in to the XMPP account. However, I can only hear
the other party speaking through the handset, but my own audio does not
go through. I am not so sure whether this is actually a network issue;
it could as well be an issue with capturing audio on Android. Any hints
on how to debug that are welcome!

There are a few other notes about bugs and wishlist items:

Common Desktop / Android

···

------------------------

- Message Archive Management would be a great addition

- Having contacts in more than one group does not work, they only
   show up in one group that is selected in a way I do not quite see

- Translations in German are missing/incomplete. What's the best way
   to contribute here?

Desktop
-------

- Why the heck can't I call an address that is not in my contact list?

- My avatar is lost / not displayed sometimes in the UI ... it seems to
   be visible on XMPP though

Android
-------

- incoming chat messages that trigger a new chat to be opened
   are lost / not displayed

- using the back button (either hardware or the top left thing in the
   UI) resets the scroll position of the contact list, which is not
   helpful in long contact lists

- a possibility to hide offline contacts would be helpful

- a list of open conversations, maybe at the top of the contact list,
   would be helpful as well

- auto-away (with changing priority) when turning off the screen or
   after inactivity would be cool

- changing the status message is hidden somewhere deep in the menu,
   triggering the dialog when clicking on own avatar could be an idea

- opening a chat with a full JID (one resource of a contact) would be
   great

- meta-contacts are missing

If there are some places that do not need so much in-depth knowledge
about Jitsi or where mentoring is available, I will happily try to
contribute!

Cheers,
Nik

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I would like to to take me out of you listing. How can I do this?
Thanks

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On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

Hi,

thanks to the support provided at the Jitsi booth at FOSDEM, I finally
got Jitsi working with audio and video out of the box, even with
bidirectional audio ;)! It works perfectly with the Desktop version.
However, I cannot get it to work with the Android client:

I updated to the latest nightly build, which includes a fix for Jingle
Relay discovery (thanks, Pawel!), and according to the logs, a relay is
now found when logging in to the XMPP account. However, I can only hear
the other party speaking through the handset, but my own audio does not
go through. I am not so sure whether this is actually a network issue;
it could as well be an issue with capturing audio on Android. Any hints
on how to debug that are welcome!

There are a few other notes about bugs and wishlist items:

Common Desktop / Android
------------------------

- Message Archive Management would be a great addition

- Having contacts in more than one group does not work, they only
   show up in one group that is selected in a way I do not quite see

- Translations in German are missing/incomplete. What's the best way
   to contribute here?

Desktop
-------

- Why the heck can't I call an address that is not in my contact list?

- My avatar is lost / not displayed sometimes in the UI ... it seems to
   be visible on XMPP though

Android
-------

- incoming chat messages that trigger a new chat to be opened
   are lost / not displayed

- using the back button (either hardware or the top left thing in the
   UI) resets the scroll position of the contact list, which is not
   helpful in long contact lists

- a possibility to hide offline contacts would be helpful

- a list of open conversations, maybe at the top of the contact list,
   would be helpful as well

- auto-away (with changing priority) when turning off the screen or
   after inactivity would be cool

- changing the status message is hidden somewhere deep in the menu,
   triggering the dialog when clicking on own avatar could be an idea

- opening a chat with a full JID (one resource of a contact) would be
   great

- meta-contacts are missing

If there are some places that do not need so much in-depth knowledge
about Jitsi or where mentoring is available, I will happily try to
contribute!

Cheers,
Nik

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Hi Dominik,

Hi,

thanks to the support provided at the Jitsi booth at FOSDEM, I finally
got Jitsi working with audio and video out of the box, even with
bidirectional audio ;)! It works perfectly with the Desktop version.
However, I cannot get it to work with the Android client:

I updated to the latest nightly build, which includes a fix for Jingle
Relay discovery (thanks, Pawel!), and according to the logs, a relay is
now found when logging in to the XMPP account. However, I can only hear
the other party speaking through the handset, but my own audio does not
go through. I am not so sure whether this is actually a network issue;
it could as well be an issue with capturing audio on Android. Any hints
on how to debug that are welcome!

Can you give a try for different codec like PCMU ? Logs after call
would also help("send logs" from main options menu).

There are a few other notes about bugs and wishlist items:

Common Desktop / Android
------------------------

- Message Archive Management would be a great addition

- Having contacts in more than one group does not work, they only
   show up in one group that is selected in a way I do not quite see

Could you explain this one in some more details ?

- Translations in German are missing/incomplete. What's the best way
   to contribute here?

On Android we currently do not support multiple languages, but this
will be added later for sure.

Desktop
-------

- Why the heck can't I call an address that is not in my contact list?

- My avatar is lost / not displayed sometimes in the UI ... it seems to
   be visible on XMPP though

Android
-------

- incoming chat messages that trigger a new chat to be opened
   are lost / not displayed

Fixed this one, will be available after a build later today.

- using the back button (either hardware or the top left thing in the
   UI) resets the scroll position of the contact list, which is not
   helpful in long contact lists

This one is also fixed, but will be available later today too.

- a possibility to hide offline contacts would be helpful

The ticket is now opened for this feature:
https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1272

- a list of open conversations, maybe at the top of the contact list,
   would be helpful as well

We're already working on it: https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1243

- auto-away (with changing priority) when turning off the screen or
   after inactivity would be cool

We'll add it as soon as we fix some important bugs and
issues(https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1273).

- changing the status message is hidden somewhere deep in the menu,
   triggering the dialog when clicking on own avatar could be an idea

https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1274

- opening a chat with a full JID (one resource of a contact) would be
   great

https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1276

- meta-contacts are missing

https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1275

If there are some places that do not need so much in-depth knowledge
about Jitsi or where mentoring is available, I will happily try to
contribute!

It looks like auto away or status message dialog can be relatively
easy and I'd be glad to help. Desktop version of Jitsi will be a good
source of inspiration.

Regards,
Pawel

···

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

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Hi,

another little bug in Desktop Android:

In an active conversation, when the remote party changes their status,
the status change is not propagated to the title of the tab (probably
window outside single window mode).

I remember this one has been addressed before, but I still see this
happen in the latest nightlies.

Cheers,
Nik

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I would like to to take me out of you listing. How can I do this?
Thanks

On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

Hi,

thanks to the support provided at the Jitsi booth at FOSDEM, I finally
got Jitsi working with audio and video out of the box, even with
bidirectional audio ;)! It works perfectly with the Desktop version.
However, I cannot get it to work with the Android client:

I updated to the latest nightly build, which includes a fix for Jingle
Relay discovery (thanks, Pawel!), and according to the logs, a relay is
now found when logging in to the XMPP account. However, I can only hear
the other party speaking through the handset, but my own audio does not
go through. I am not so sure whether this is actually a network issue;
it could as well be an issue with capturing audio on Android. Any hints
on how to debug that are welcome!

There are a few other notes about bugs and wishlist items:

Common Desktop / Android
------------------------

- Message Archive Management would be a great addition

- Having contacts in more than one group does not work, they only
   show up in one group that is selected in a way I do not quite see

- Translations in German are missing/incomplete. What's the best way
   to contribute here?

Desktop
-------

- Why the heck can't I call an address that is not in my contact list?

- My avatar is lost / not displayed sometimes in the UI ... it seems to
   be visible on XMPP though

Android
-------

- incoming chat messages that trigger a new chat to be opened
   are lost / not displayed

- using the back button (either hardware or the top left thing in the
   UI) resets the scroll position of the contact list, which is not
   helpful in long contact lists

- a possibility to hide offline contacts would be helpful

- a list of open conversations, maybe at the top of the contact list,
   would be helpful as well

- auto-away (with changing priority) when turning off the screen or
   after inactivity would be cool

- changing the status message is hidden somewhere deep in the menu,
   triggering the dialog when clicking on own avatar could be an idea

- opening a chat with a full JID (one resource of a contact) would be
   great

- meta-contacts are missing

If there are some places that do not need so much in-depth knowledge
about Jitsi or where mentoring is available, I will happily try to
contribute!

Cheers,
Nik

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Hi,

> - Having contacts in more than one group does not work, they only
> show up in one group that is selected in a way I do not quite see

Could you explain this one in some more details ?

The XMPP roster allows contacts to be in several groups, not only one.
However, when Jitsi retrieves the roster, it only displays contacts in
the first group reported by the server.

Cheers,
Nik

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Hi,

Can you give a try for different codec like PCMU ? Logs after call
would also help("send logs" from main options menu).

first, here are logs for a call, that is set up correctly, but audio
works only in one direction (from other party to Android works, but from
Android to other party not).

I cut the whole system log for the period of the call, because I assume
a bug with the audio system.

Cheers,
Nik

jitsi-android.log (85.3 KB)

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> - incoming chat messages that trigger a new chat to be opened
> are lost / not displayed

Fixed this one, will be available after a build later today.

Unfortunately, the bug persists in latest nightlies. The only thing that
changed is that, after your commit, these messages now do not even
appear in the history anymore :wink: ...

Cheers,
Nik

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Hi,

> I updated to the latest nightly build, which includes a fix for Jingle
> Relay discovery (thanks, Pawel!), and according to the logs, a relay is
> now found when logging in to the XMPP account. However, I can only hear
> the other party speaking through the handset, but my own audio does not
> go through. I am not so sure whether this is actually a network issue;
> it could as well be an issue with capturing audio on Android. Any hints
> on how to debug that are welcome!

Can you give a try for different codec like PCMU ? Logs after call
would also help("send logs" from main options menu).

I did a lot of testing now and found that

  a) it is not a network issue
  b) using a different codec does not help

So this pretty certainly is an issue with capturing of audio on my
Android device.

Do the logs I send tell you anything about that?

-nik

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Hi Dominic,

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On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

Hi,

> I updated to the latest nightly build, which includes a fix for Jingle
> Relay discovery (thanks, Pawel!), and according to the logs, a relay is
> now found when logging in to the XMPP account. However, I can only hear
> the other party speaking through the handset, but my own audio does not
> go through. I am not so sure whether this is actually a network issue;
> it could as well be an issue with capturing audio on Android. Any hints
> on how to debug that are welcome!

Can you give a try for different codec like PCMU ? Logs after call
would also help("send logs" from main options menu).

I did a lot of testing now and found that

  a) it is not a network issue
  b) using a different codec does not help

So this pretty certainly is an issue with capturing of audio on my
Android device.

Do the logs I send tell you anything about that?

I'll be looking at it soon. I've been recently on holiday and I have a
lot of logs to process now :wink: Thank you for your patience.

Regards,
Pawel

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Hi Pawel,

I'll be looking at it soon. I've been recently on holiday and I have a
lot of logs to process now :wink: Thank you for your patience.

Of course, just let me know what I can do to help debug it further
should that be necessary!

On a side note: Where do I find the log files of Jitsi on Android? Using
the "send logs" mechanism is no option for me anymore because I do not
have an e-mail client on Android anymore (that thing was messing up my
mails all the time, so I removed it to prevent me from sending broken
mail ;)).

Cheers,
Nik

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Hi Pawel et al,

> So this pretty certainly is an issue with capturing of audio on my
> Android device.
>
> Do the logs I send tell you anything about that?
>

I'll be looking at it soon. I've been recently on holiday and I have a
lot of logs to process now :wink: Thank you for your patience.

The issue was solved with the most recent CyanogenMod 11 nightly build,
so it really was an Android issue. Consider it fixed ;)!

But, there are a few issues with Android and audio/video we are seeing
in tests.

1. On some devices, the video from the camera is rotated by 90 degrees
2. The ZRTP status (at least the status display) breaks when enabling/
    disabling video. I do not know if encryption really is dropped, but
    I think it is only the status display. I think this was fixed in
    Desktop Jitsi a few weeks ago, if I remember correctly ...

Apart from that, Jitsi on Android works like a charm now!

Cheers,
Nik

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Hi Dominik,

···

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

On a side note: Where do I find the log files of Jitsi on Android? Using
the "send logs" mechanism is no option for me anymore because I do not
have an e-mail client on Android anymore (that thing was messing up my
mails all the time, so I removed it to prevent me from sending broken
mail ;)).

Send logs is standart Android "send" intent. That means you can use
any app that supports sending stuff. For example on my device there
are options like "save on Google Drive", "add to Dropbox account",
"send via bluetooth" etc.

Regards,
Pawel

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Hi,

Hi Pawel et al,

> > So this pretty certainly is an issue with capturing of audio on my
> > Android device.
> >
> > Do the logs I send tell you anything about that?
> >
>
> I'll be looking at it soon. I've been recently on holiday and I have a
> lot of logs to process now :wink: Thank you for your patience.

The issue was solved with the most recent CyanogenMod 11 nightly build,
so it really was an Android issue. Consider it fixed ;)!

But, there are a few issues with Android and audio/video we are seeing
in tests.

1. On some devices, the video from the camera is rotated by 90 degrees

Yes, it's a known issue. Currently only the preview should be rotated
fine, but there is no guarantee that it will be ok on remote device.
You can track the progress here:
https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1246

2. The ZRTP status (at least the status display) breaks when enabling/
    disabling video. I do not know if encryption really is dropped, but
    I think it is only the status display. I think this was fixed in
    Desktop Jitsi a few weeks ago, if I remember correctly ...

Yes, there were some fixes in desktop version and they were probably
not integrated yet. I will have a look.

Apart from that, Jitsi on Android works like a charm now!

Thanks for kind words ! ...however I do not have the same opinion and
fell that we still have some problems to fix before we can say it is
working fine :wink:

Regards,
Pawel

···

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

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Hi,

Send logs is standart Android "send" intent. That means you can use
any app that supports sending stuff. For example on my device there
are options like "save on Google Drive", "add to Dropbox account",
"send via bluetooth" etc.

hmm, the first two are not available on my device (why should I install
spyware?), the latter would work if my laptop had bluetooth as well.

There is no option "save to sdcard" or "upload via SSH" or something.

So, having a root shell on the device in front of me, where do I find
the log files?

Cheers,
Nik

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Hi

Hi,

1. On some devices, the video from the camera is rotated by 90 degrees

Yes, it's a known issue. Currently only the preview should be rotated
fine, but there is no guarantee that it will be ok on remote device.
You can track the progress here:
https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1246

When I tested from tablet to phone the other day, the preview on the
tablet was correct but the received video on the phone was upside
down!

Thanks for kind words ! ...however I do not have the same opinion and
fell that we still have some problems to fix before we can say it is
working fine :wink:

I think some adjustments to the icons/interface would help. For
example, in the contacts list the camera icon at the end of each line
should perhaps be a phone symbol, as it initiates voice chat, whilst
video chat is an option to then enable and this symbol should perhaps
have a divider line to the left of it, to make it clear where the user
should press to initiate a voice call rather than text chat.

Once a call is initiated, perhaps the front/back camera icon could
actually have the text Front at the top and Back at the bottom and the
relevant section would be highlighted depending on which camera is
active (I guess you could just use two icons for this, each of which
has the relevant section highlighted and just display the appropriate
icon, if this is less resource intensive than highlighting a section
of an icon in realtime). I'll have another look at the icons next time
I use the tablet to see if I have any other ideas.

When hanging up a call, it appears we have to press the hangup icon
again (or probably Back, I haven't tried that) to get back to the
contact list. I don't think this is obvious to users as normally when
hanging up a standard Android phone call it would automatically close
the screen and return to the menu, so if there's a good reason not to
automatically close the call screen after hanging up, perhaps an
onscreen prompt "Press hangup again to return to contact list" would
be useful?

I'm not certain it affects Android but on PC at least, I haven't found
a way to make it automatically close a chat when I close the window
(the "Leave chat rooms when closing conversation" option doesn't do
it) and I have to manually Close Chat or End Private Conversation
afterwards, which is rather inconvenient, so if that could be changed
(or at least made an option) I think it would be much better.

Regards
Derek

···

On 14 February 2014 13:37, Paweł Domas <pawel.domas@jitsi.org> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

17

Hi Derek,

Hi

Hi,

1. On some devices, the video from the camera is rotated by 90 degrees

Yes, it's a known issue. Currently only the preview should be rotated
fine, but there is no guarantee that it will be ok on remote device.
You can track the progress here:
https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1246

When I tested from tablet to phone the other day, the preview on the
tablet was correct but the received video on the phone was upside
down!

Thanks for kind words ! ...however I do not have the same opinion and
fell that we still have some problems to fix before we can say it is
working fine :wink:

I think some adjustments to the icons/interface would help. For
example, in the contacts list the camera icon at the end of each line
should perhaps be a phone symbol, as it initiates voice chat, whilst
video chat is an option to then enable and this symbol should perhaps
have a divider line to the left of it, to make it clear where the user
should press to initiate a voice call rather than text chat.

We've already done that, check the current version !

Once a call is initiated, perhaps the front/back camera icon could
actually have the text Front at the top and Back at the bottom and the
relevant section would be highlighted depending on which camera is
active (I guess you could just use two icons for this, each of which
has the relevant section highlighted and just display the appropriate
icon, if this is less resource intensive than highlighting a section
of an icon in realtime). I'll have another look at the icons next time
I use the tablet to see if I have any other ideas.

There is a work in progress on new buttons layout.

When hanging up a call, it appears we have to press the hangup icon
again (or probably Back, I haven't tried that) to get back to the
contact list. I don't think this is obvious to users as normally when
hanging up a standard Android phone call it would automatically close
the screen and return to the menu, so if there's a good reason not to
automatically close the call screen after hanging up, perhaps an
onscreen prompt "Press hangup again to return to contact list" would
be useful?

This screen is only temporary solution to show the error message(or
success). We were going to put there some buttons like "call again",
"send a message"(chat) or "add to contact list". As you've said this
screen should be closed after some delay if there is no user action
and we'll do that. There is a new ticket for this:
https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1283

Regards,
Pawel

···

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Derek Moss <dmts@stoptheviolence.co.uk> wrote:

On 14 February 2014 13:37, Paweł Domas <pawel.domas@jitsi.org> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

18

Hi,

Send logs is standart Android "send" intent. That means you can use
any app that supports sending stuff. For example on my device there
are options like "save on Google Drive", "add to Dropbox account",
"send via bluetooth" etc.

hmm, the first two are not available on my device (why should I install
spyware?), the latter would work if my laptop had bluetooth as well.

There is no option "save to sdcard" or "upload via SSH" or something.

If there is an app that support sending via SSH then it should be possible.

So, having a root shell on the device in front of me, where do I find
the log files?

The code that gets the paths is:

Environment.getExternalStorageDirectory().getPath()+"/jitsi-logs/"

On my phone it is resolved to /storage/emulated/0/jitsi-logs. Please
not that they appear in this folder after "send logs" options is
called and they are removed on Jitsi shutdown.

Regards,
Pawel

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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

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Hi Pawel

We've already done that, check the current version !

Ah yes, updated from 254 I think to 255 and it's looking a lot nicer
now. Good job!

I didn't actually realise I could update from the app, as I think I
tried this a while ago and it didn't work but it worked this time so
that's great.

This screen is only temporary solution to show the error message(or
success). We were going to put there some buttons like "call again",
"send a message"(chat) or "add to contact list". As you've said this
screen should be closed after some delay if there is no user action
and we'll do that. There is a new ticket for this:
https://trac.jitsi.org/ticket/1283

Sounds like you have some good plans for that screen, thanks.

Regards
Derek