[jitsi-users] Federation of Gtalk and FacebookChat with XMPP (jit.si account)


#1

dear fellows,

today i made some experiments to see how interoperable Gtalk and
FacebookChat is with my @jit.si jabber account.

i tried adding some @chat.facebook.com accounts to my @jit.si account
first. from what i understand, facebook chat does not work at all in
this manner.

with Gtalk, i had some strange results. first of all, authorization
requests would get sent from Gtalk account to jit.si account but not
vice-versa. therefore Gtalk account could see presence of jit.si
account, but jit.si account could not see presence of gtalk account.
messaging worked fine both ways. is this the current state of XMPP
federation in Gtalk land or am i doing something wrong? i also tried
with Psi client instead of jitsi, and got the same results.


#2

Hey there,

dear fellows,

today i made some experiments to see how interoperable Gtalk and
FacebookChat is with my @jit.si jabber account.

i tried adding some @chat.facebook.com accounts to my @jit.si account
first. from what i understand, facebook chat does not work at all in
this manner.

Indeed, Facebook do not have any federation.

with Gtalk, i had some strange results. first of all, authorization
requests would get sent from Gtalk account to jit.si account but not
vice-versa. therefore Gtalk account could see presence of jit.si
account, but jit.si account could not see presence of gtalk account.
messaging worked fine both ways. is this the current state of XMPP
federation in Gtalk land or am i doing something wrong? i also tried
with Psi client instead of jitsi, and got the same results.

Authorization requests with Gtalk have been flaky indeed. Sometimes they
work, sometimes they don't. I am afraid the only thing I can suggest is:
try again, and again, ... and eventually it should work.

We have a "Re-request authorization" option in Jitsi which should be
helpful.

Emil

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On 12.03.13, 10:53, dalgamotor@hush.com wrote:

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#3

Hey there,

(responding on the list, let's keep it here because others are also
likely interested).

hi Emil,

thank you for your prompt response. i have tried the re-request a few
times without effect too. i will try more due to your suggestion.
do you think the Gtalk behavior is intended by Google (some wicked
one-way presence walled garden idea) or a bug with Google's servers? or
is it a bug in Jitsi and Psi etc? should i try a nightly Jitsi build?
(I'm currently on 2.0 64-bit stable Windows 7 SP1)

I don't think its an intentional policy because most of the time it does
work. I don't think it's a build related issue either.

I am afraid I don't know more than that though. It could definitely be
an implementation issue on our side or on Google's.

Emil

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On 12.03.13, 11:22, dalgamotor@hush.com wrote:

On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM, "Emil Ivov" <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

    Hey there,

    On 12.03.13, 10:53, dalgamotor@hush.com wrote:
    > dear fellows,
    >
    > today i made some experiments to see how interoperable Gtalk and
    > FacebookChat is with my @jit.si jabber account.
    >
    > i tried adding some @chat.facebook.com accounts to my @jit.si account
    > first. from what i understand, facebook chat does not work at all in
    > this manner.

    Indeed, Facebook do not have any federation.

    > with Gtalk, i had some strange results. first of all, authorization
    > requests would get sent from Gtalk account to jit.si account but not
    > vice-versa. therefore Gtalk account could see presence of jit.si
    > account, but jit.si account could not see presence of gtalk account.
    > messaging worked fine both ways. is this the current state of XMPP
    > federation in Gtalk land or am i doing something wrong? i also tried
    > with Psi client instead of jitsi, and got the same results.

    Authorization requests with Gtalk have been flaky indeed. Sometimes they
    work, sometimes they don't. I am afraid the only thing I can suggest is:
    try again, and again, ... and eventually it should work.

    We have a "Re-request authorization" option in Jitsi which should be
    helpful.

    Emil

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    https://jitsi.org

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#4

hi Emil,

thank you for your prompt response. i have tried the re-request a few
times without effect too. i will try more due to your suggestion.
do you think the Gtalk behavior is intended by Google (some wicked
one-way presence walled garden idea) or a bug with Google's servers?
or is it a bug in Jitsi and Psi etc? should i try a nightly Jitsi
build? (I'm currently on 2.0 64-bit stable Windows 7 SP1)
On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 at 5:13 PM, "Emil Ivov" wrote:Hey there,

dear fellows,

today i made some experiments to see how interoperable Gtalk and
FacebookChat is with my @jit.si jabber account.

i tried adding some @chat.facebook.com accounts to my @jit.si

account

first. from what i understand, facebook chat does not work at all in
this manner.

Indeed, Facebook do not have any federation.

with Gtalk, i had some strange results. first of all, authorization
requests would get sent from Gtalk account to jit.si account but not
vice-versa. therefore Gtalk account could see presence of jit.si
account, but jit.si account could not see presence of gtalk account.
messaging worked fine both ways. is this the current state of XMPP
federation in Gtalk land or am i doing something wrong? i also tried
with Psi client instead of jitsi, and got the same results.

Authorization requests with Gtalk have been flaky indeed. Sometimes
they
work, sometimes they don't. I am afraid the only thing I can suggest
is:
try again, and again, ... and eventually it should work.

We have a "Re-request authorization" option in Jitsi which should be
helpful.

Emil

···

On 12.03.13, 10:53, dalgamotor@hush.com wrote:

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#5

It appears to be a new Google policy after all.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/1952259/google-begins-blocking-third-party-jabber-invites

Non-Gmail users now need to request that the Gmail users authorize their
account instead of the other way around.

The Free Software Foundation mentions that Google is offering to
whitelist servers whose operators write to them. I suggest Jit.si do
this and hope that Google grants it whitelist status.
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/google-backslides-on-federated-instant-messaging-on-purpose

David

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On 3/12/2013 10:31 AM, Emil Ivov wrote:

On 12.03.13, 11:22, dalgamotor@hush.com wrote:

hi Emil,

thank you for your prompt response. i have tried the re-request a few
times without effect too. i will try more due to your suggestion.
do you think the Gtalk behavior is intended by Google (some wicked
one-way presence walled garden idea) or a bug with Google's servers? or
is it a bug in Jitsi and Psi etc? should i try a nightly Jitsi build?
(I'm currently on 2.0 64-bit stable Windows 7 SP1)

I don't think its an intentional policy because most of the time it does
work. I don't think it's a build related issue either.

I am afraid I don't know more than that though. It could definitely be
an implementation issue on our side or on Google's.

Emil


#6

Thanks for the note David.

I've tried asking for whitelisting. Let's see where this takes us.

Emil

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On 15.03.13, 23:57, David Bolton wrote:

It appears to be a new Google policy after all.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/1952259/google-begins-blocking-third-party-jabber-invites

Non-Gmail users now need to request that the Gmail users authorize their
account instead of the other way around.

The Free Software Foundation mentions that Google is offering to
whitelist servers whose operators write to them. I suggest Jit.si do
this and hope that Google grants it whitelist status.
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/google-backslides-on-federated-instant-messaging-on-purpose

David

On 3/12/2013 10:31 AM, Emil Ivov wrote:

On 12.03.13, 11:22, dalgamotor@hush.com wrote:

hi Emil,

thank you for your prompt response. i have tried the re-request a few
times without effect too. i will try more due to your suggestion.
do you think the Gtalk behavior is intended by Google (some wicked
one-way presence walled garden idea) or a bug with Google's servers? or
is it a bug in Jitsi and Psi etc? should i try a nightly Jitsi build?
(I'm currently on 2.0 64-bit stable Windows 7 SP1)

I don't think its an intentional policy because most of the time it does
work. I don't think it's a build related issue either.

I am afraid I don't know more than that though. It could definitely be
an implementation issue on our side or on Google's.

Emil

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https://jitsi.org