[jitsi-users] CUSAX and contacts without SIP address


#1

Hi,

I would like to deploy CUSAX in my network, but have trouble understanding a detail.

The wiki says to disable the call feature for the XMPP account. What do I do if I want to keep the ability to call contacts via Jingle if they do not have a SIP handle, and be called via Jingle myself?

- -nik
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#2

Hey Dominik,

CUSAX only advises that features be disabled in order to simplify the
user experience. You can very well keep them active. The downside is
that every time you click on the call button for a contact, you will
be asked whether you'd like to make the call through Jingle or SIP.

Hope this helps,
Emil

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Hi,

I would like to deploy CUSAX in my network, but have trouble understanding a detail.

The wiki says to disable the call feature for the XMPP account. What do I do if I want to keep the ability to call contacts via Jingle if they do not have a SIP handle, and be called via Jingle myself?

- -nik
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#3

Hi,

CUSAX only advises that features be disabled in order to simplify the
user experience. You can very well keep them active. The downside is
that every time you click on the call button for a contact, you will
be asked whether you'd like to make the call through Jingle or SIP.

ok, so how is this different from not using CUSAY at all and just having
a SIP number in the contact vcard?

-nik

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#4

Hi,

CUSAX only advises that features be disabled in order to simplify the
user experience. You can very well keep them active. The downside is
that every time you click on the call button for a contact, you will
be asked whether you'd like to make the call through Jingle or SIP.

ok, so how is this different from not using CUSAY at all and just having
a SIP number in the contact vcard?

It's not. CUSAX is not a new protocol. It is a set of recommendations
on the use of existing protocols.

Sacrificing Jingle interop is one such recommendation. You asked how
not to sacrifice it, and the answer is that you are not required to
but you lose in usability if you don't.

Emil

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-nik

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#5

> ok, so how is this different from not using CUSAY at all and just having
> a SIP number in the contact vcard?

Sacrificing Jingle interop is one such recommendation. You asked how
not to sacrifice it, and the answer is that you are not required to
but you lose in usability if you don't.

Ok.

In any case, does CUSAX mean "better use SIP for calling because it
won't ever work with XMPP anyway"?

I would not hope that ... what are the chances of having real orking
call features with just XMPP?

-nik

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#6

> ok, so how is this different from not using CUSAY at all and just having
> a SIP number in the contact vcard?

Sacrificing Jingle interop is one such recommendation. You asked how
not to sacrifice it, and the answer is that you are not required to
but you lose in usability if you don't.

Ok.

In any case, does CUSAX mean "better use SIP for calling because it
won't ever work with XMPP anyway"?

It is not up to an IETF document to predict the future and CUSAX
certainly doesn't try to do this.

I would not hope that ... what are the chances of having real orking
call features with just XMPP?

Why are you asking this question here? With videobridge conferencing,
Jitsi currently has more calling features through XMPP than SIP.

The reason for CUSAX to exist is mostly the state of existing server
implementations. So you may want to ask the implementers of your
favourite XMPP server what their plans are about implementing
voicemail, voice2mail, call park, call pickup, busy line feed,
conference rooms, a PSTN gateway, inband DTMF, resource allocation,
audio transcoding, CDR, billing, SLA and MWI.

This is what you question above is actually about. Not Jitsi.

Emil

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On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> wrote:

-nik

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