[jitsi-users] Confused with Jitsi products


#1

Hi all,

I've read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi looking for Skype
alternatives. The Wiki article speaks about "Jitsi" as a "voice (VoIP),
videoconferencing and instant messaging application".

Going on reading on https://jitsi.org/ confusion starts: the start page
introduces something called "Jitsi Videobridge" and something called
"Jitsi Meet". "Okay, maybe they have additional apps next to the "Jitsi"
I've read about on Wikipedia" I thought. But reading
https://jitsi.org/what-is-jitsi/ the Wikipedia article must be extremely
outdated: "Jitsi is a set of open-source projects [...] At the heart of
Jitsi are Jitsi Videobridge and Jitsi Meet".

"Okay, so maybe what is formerly called "Jitsi" is now "Jitsi meet"" I
thought and went on with the link "Try it out and download it for free."
which leads me to https://meet.jit.si/ - trying Jitsi Meet this is
obviously a web app and beside the problem that there is nothing
clickable to download something (using Firefox with NoScript but all
Scripts enabled): why should I (as end-user) download something for a
web app?

Coming back to https://jitsi.org/what-is-jitsi/ I went on reading
https://jitsi.org/projects/: hello "jibri", "jicofo", "jigasi", "ice4j",
"libjitsi", ...wait, "Jitsi Desktop" sounds for what I was originally
looking for (you remember: a videoconferencing and instant messaging
application). Invited by "Jitsi Desktop" field/link my next station was
https://desktop.jitsi.org/ followed by "Download Jitsi":

"Here, you can download Jitsi Desktop, Jitsi Meet and Jitsi Videobridge."

...again 3 different products and I have still no idea what I exactly
should use to replace Skype.

Reading https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/About and
https://desktop.jitsi.org/Documentation/FAQ I couldn't find any
information telling me the difference between Jitsi Desktop, Jitsi Meet
and Jitsi Videobridge.

So hello mailing list! :slight_smile:

I hope you could explain me what I couldn't find reading your (really
pretty) website:

What can I do with Jitsi Desktop compared with Jitsi Meet and Jitsi
Videobridge? I mean: when should I use Jitsi Desktop and and when
Meet/Videobridge (and when not)?

Thx a lot for your patience
saljut7

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#2

Hi saljut7,

Jitsi Desktop (https://desktop.jitsi.org/, https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi)
is your typical desktop skype replacement. The description of the github
readme: "Jitsi is a free open-source audio/video and chat communicator that
supports protocols such as SIP, XMPP/Jabber, AIM/ICQ, IRC and many other
useful features"

Jitsi Videobridge (https://jitsi.org/jitsi-videobridge/,
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-videobridge) is a server allowing
video-conferencing. The description of the github readme: "Jitsi
Videobridge is an XMPP server component that allows for multiuser video
communication. Unlike the expensive dedicated hardware videobridges, Jitsi
Videobridge does not mix the video channels into a composite video stream,
but only relays the received video channels to all call participants.
Therefore, while it does need to run on a server with good network
bandwidth, CPU horsepower is not that critical for performance."

Jitsi Meet (https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/,
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet, https://meet.jit.si/) is a web
application build atop the Jitsi Videobridge to allow for group
conferencing using browser and android, ios app. You can choose to use
https://meet.jit.si/ if you decide to trust the developers, or self-host
your own instance (instructions:
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/quick-install.md).

If you're looking for a Skype replacement for chat, Jitsi Desktop might
suit your needs if everyone you want to talk to has XMPP, IRC, ect. If
you're looking for an audio/video call replacement, Jitsi Meet might be a
better solution, as it only requires a browser to work for everyone (and
who doesn't have that?)

Hope I've cleared things up for you!

Kind regards,

Nik

···

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Салют-7 <saljut7@posteo.net> wrote:

Hi all,

I've read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi looking for Skype
alternatives. The Wiki article speaks about "Jitsi" as a "voice (VoIP),
videoconferencing and instant messaging application".

Going on reading on https://jitsi.org/ confusion starts: the start page
introduces something called "Jitsi Videobridge" and something called
"Jitsi Meet". "Okay, maybe they have additional apps next to the "Jitsi"
I've read about on Wikipedia" I thought. But reading
https://jitsi.org/what-is-jitsi/ the Wikipedia article must be extremely
outdated: "Jitsi is a set of open-source projects [...] At the heart of
Jitsi are Jitsi Videobridge and Jitsi Meet".

"Okay, so maybe what is formerly called "Jitsi" is now "Jitsi meet"" I
thought and went on with the link "Try it out and download it for free."
which leads me to https://meet.jit.si/ - trying Jitsi Meet this is
obviously a web app and beside the problem that there is nothing
clickable to download something (using Firefox with NoScript but all
Scripts enabled): why should I (as end-user) download something for a
web app?

Coming back to https://jitsi.org/what-is-jitsi/ I went on reading
https://jitsi.org/projects/: hello "jibri", "jicofo", "jigasi", "ice4j",
"libjitsi", ...wait, "Jitsi Desktop" sounds for what I was originally
looking for (you remember: a videoconferencing and instant messaging
application). Invited by "Jitsi Desktop" field/link my next station was
https://desktop.jitsi.org/ followed by "Download Jitsi":

"Here, you can download Jitsi Desktop, Jitsi Meet and Jitsi Videobridge."

...again 3 different products and I have still no idea what I exactly
should use to replace Skype.

Reading https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/About and
https://desktop.jitsi.org/Documentation/FAQ I couldn't find any
information telling me the difference between Jitsi Desktop, Jitsi Meet
and Jitsi Videobridge.

So hello mailing list! :slight_smile:

I hope you could explain me what I couldn't find reading your (really
pretty) website:

What can I do with Jitsi Desktop compared with Jitsi Meet and Jitsi
Videobridge? I mean: when should I use Jitsi Desktop and and when
Meet/Videobridge (and when not)?

Thx a lot for your patience
saljut7

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#3

Hi Nik,

thank you so much for this detailed clarification.

So the main difference is: to use Jitsi Desktop I need an account (XMPP
for example) and for Jitsi Meet I do not need an account - anyway Jitsi
Desktop provides audio/video conferencing as well.

I would recommend to replace the existing introduction for
https://desktop.jitsi.org/, https://jitsi.org/jitsi-videobridge/ and
https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/ with the explanation text you've provided
me in your mail.
The only thing I would change a little bit is the readme text for Jitsi
Desktop. Maybe in this way:

"Jitsi _Desktop_ is an free open-source audio/video and chat
communicator that supports protocols such as SIP, XMPP/Jabber, AIM/ICQ,
IRC and many other useful features _using an existing messaging account
like XMPP_."

(to point out that you need an account in comparison to Jitsi Meet)

Best regards
saljut7

···

On 07/23/2017 04:24 PM, Nik V wrote:

Hi saljut7,

Jitsi Desktop (https://desktop.jitsi.org/,
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi) is your typical desktop skype
replacement. The description of the github readme: "Jitsi is a free
open-source audio/video and chat communicator that supports protocols
such as SIP, XMPP/Jabber, AIM/ICQ, IRC and many other useful features"

Jitsi Videobridge (https://jitsi.org/jitsi-videobridge/,
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-videobridge) is a server allowing
video-conferencing. The description of the github readme: "Jitsi
Videobridge is an XMPP server component that allows for multiuser video
communication. Unlike the expensive dedicated hardware videobridges,
Jitsi Videobridge does not mix the video channels into a composite video
stream, but only relays the received video channels to all call
participants. Therefore, while it does need to run on a server with good
network bandwidth, CPU horsepower is not that critical for performance."

Jitsi Meet (https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/,
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet, https://meet.jit.si/) is a web
application build atop the Jitsi Videobridge to allow for group
conferencing using browser and android, ios app. You can choose to use
https://meet.jit.si/ if you decide to trust the developers, or self-host
your own instance (instructions:
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/quick-install.md).

If you're looking for a Skype replacement for chat, Jitsi Desktop might
suit your needs if everyone you want to talk to has XMPP, IRC, ect. If
you're looking for an audio/video call replacement, Jitsi Meet might be
a better solution, as it only requires a browser to work for everyone
(and who doesn't have that?)

Hope I've cleared things up for you!

Kind regards,

Nik

On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Салют-7 <saljut7@posteo.net > <mailto:saljut7@posteo.net>> wrote:

    Hi all,

    I've read about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi> looking for Skype
    alternatives. The Wiki article speaks about "Jitsi" as a "voice (VoIP),
    videoconferencing and instant messaging application".

    Going on reading on https://jitsi.org/ confusion starts: the start page
    introduces something called "Jitsi Videobridge" and something called
    "Jitsi Meet". "Okay, maybe they have additional apps next to the "Jitsi"
    I've read about on Wikipedia" I thought. But reading
    https://jitsi.org/what-is-jitsi/
    the Wikipedia article must be extremely
    outdated: "Jitsi is a set of open-source projects [...] At the heart of
    Jitsi are Jitsi Videobridge and Jitsi Meet".

    "Okay, so maybe what is formerly called "Jitsi" is now "Jitsi meet"" I
    thought and went on with the link "Try it out and download it for free."
    which leads me to https://meet.jit.si/ - trying Jitsi Meet this is
    obviously a web app and beside the problem that there is nothing
    clickable to download something (using Firefox with NoScript but all
    Scripts enabled): why should I (as end-user) download something for a
    web app?

    Coming back to https://jitsi.org/what-is-jitsi/
    <https://jitsi.org/what-is-jitsi/> I went on reading
    https://jitsi.org/projects/: hello "jibri", "jicofo", "jigasi", "ice4j",
    "libjitsi", ...wait, "Jitsi Desktop" sounds for what I was originally
    looking for (you remember: a videoconferencing and instant messaging
    application). Invited by "Jitsi Desktop" field/link my next station was
    https://desktop.jitsi.org/ followed by "Download Jitsi":

    "Here, you can download Jitsi Desktop, Jitsi Meet and Jitsi
    Videobridge."

    ...again 3 different products and I have still no idea what I exactly
    should use to replace Skype.

    Reading https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/About
    <https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/About> and
    https://desktop.jitsi.org/Documentation/FAQ
    <https://desktop.jitsi.org/Documentation/FAQ> I couldn't find any
    information telling me the difference between Jitsi Desktop, Jitsi Meet
    and Jitsi Videobridge.

    So hello mailing list! :slight_smile:

    I hope you could explain me what I couldn't find reading your (really
    pretty) website:

    What can I do with Jitsi Desktop compared with Jitsi Meet and Jitsi
    Videobridge? I mean: when should I use Jitsi Desktop and and when
    Meet/Videobridge (and when not)?

    Thx a lot for your patience
    saljut7

    On 07/23/2017 01:00 AM, users-request@jitsi.org > <mailto:users-request@jitsi.org> wrote:
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