[jitsi-users] All kinds of problems establishing a call


#1

I experience quite a few problems trying to establish a mere audio call between Jitsi installations (the same versions on all computers) on the same and different networks, all using gtalk accounts.
The last time I was trying Jitsi was back in 2014 when the last stable was v2.4.x I believe - then at least audio calls were working.

On two Win7 x64 in a local network, when I initiate the call, it works, but when the other end tries to call me, the call is established but neither I can hear the other end nor the other end can hear me, just silence. To repeat - both are in the local network behind one router.

The other issue - the remote user is behind a router with DMZ set to her PC (with static IP of course). I try to call her but she receives error about ICE failed to initialize error or something. There the PC is on Win2008 Server x86. The same setup a year ago, and Jitsi 2.4 on both ends was working (although with stuttering on both ends but at least working).

I reviewed the STUN settings and everything is checked and default (incl. UPnP which is enabled in my router as well, and in the remote router I Thnk), and cannot think what's wrong. I lost hours and days troubleshooting all kind of problems with Jitsi, and this repeats every year when I try the current version.
To repeat - the previous versions were working for the audio calls between the same accounts and machines, almost flawlessly, back in 2014 with 2.4. And I just upgraded to the new version (uninstalling the previous first and the new picked up all existing settings and accounts).

The global hotkeys do not work at all on the remote machine with Win2008 x86 (tried many hotkeys to show/hide the contact list). Again, the older version was working back in 2014 (but had its own problems).

I think I'lll give up, I tried my best to allow Jitsi replace my other IMs (especially skype) just because it (claims to) support audio/video over XMPP/gtalk accounts and all the features but it seems it is still far from flawlessly and reliably fulfil our needs for stability and reliability. Too sad. It seems the Windows version will never see a proper debugging to make sure it works flawlessly at least for its basic functions, unfortunately.

Thanks. I'm still open to solutions to the audio calls and connections problems as a last shot to make it work. I hate skype so much :slight_smile: . I want to use jitsi for almost only gtalk accounts - I cannot make others register for almost unknown to them ippi or jit.si accounts.

Thanks.


#2

Jitsi and GTalk is not the best combination anymore, because Google
dropped its XMPP support already longer time ago...

I would suggest that you try still with jit.si XMPP accounts
https://jitsi.org/index.php/Register/Register
as it should avoid "ICE failed" errors etc before you give up Jitsi
client... (it is still the best client for your privacy because has both
zRTP and OTR; I am using it since years...)

br, MS

···

On 10/28/15 6:24 AM, Teodor Hadjiev wrote:

I experience quite a few problems trying to establish a mere audio
call between Jitsi installations (the same versions on all computers)
on the same and different networks, all using gtalk accounts.
The last time I was trying Jitsi was back in 2014 when the last stable
was v2.4.x I believe - then at least audio calls were working.

On two Win7 x64 in a local network, when I initiate the call, it
works, but when the other end tries to call me, the call is
established but neither I can hear the other end nor the other end can
hear me, just silence. To repeat - both are in the local network
behind one router.

The other issue - the remote user is behind a router with DMZ set to
her PC (with static IP of course). I try to call her but she receives
error about ICE failed to initialize error or something. There the PC
is on Win2008 Server x86. The same setup a year ago, and Jitsi 2.4 on
both ends was working (although with stuttering on both ends but at
least working).

I reviewed the STUN settings and everything is checked and default
(incl. UPnP which is enabled in my router as well, and in the remote
router I Thnk), and cannot think what's wrong. I lost hours and days
troubleshooting all kind of problems with Jitsi, and this repeats
every year when I try the current version.
To repeat - the previous versions were working for the audio calls
between the same accounts and machines, almost flawlessly, back in
2014 with 2.4. And I just upgraded to the new version (uninstalling
the previous first and the new picked up all existing settings and
accounts).

The global hotkeys do not work at all on the remote machine with
Win2008 x86 (tried many hotkeys to show/hide the contact list). Again,
the older version was working back in 2014 (but had its own problems).

I think I'lll give up, I tried my best to allow Jitsi replace my other
IMs (especially skype) just because it (claims to) support audio/video
over XMPP/gtalk accounts and all the features but it seems it is still
far from flawlessly and reliably fulfil our needs for stability and
reliability. Too sad. It seems the Windows version will never see a
proper debugging to make sure it works flawlessly at least for its
basic functions, unfortunately.

Thanks. I'm still open to solutions to the audio calls and connections
problems as a last shot to make it work. I hate skype so much :slight_smile: . I
want to use jitsi for almost only gtalk accounts - I cannot make
others register for almost unknown to them ippi or jit.si accounts.

Thanks.

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#3

Hi.
Thanks for replying.
Google still supports XMPP because up until a week ago I've been using Miranda with XMPP to connect and chat with my gtalk account.
Also, in some cases I was able to audio chat with another gtalk account (I use my gtalk account with Jitsi now too).

Anyway, I registered with ippi today. But now, I encountered another problem with Jitsi trying to use the new account (surprise, surprise!).
It's very annoying, jumping from one bug to another all the time and I'm really to give up.
Anyway, half of the times Jitsi fails to sign in to my new account with an error message. Sometimes it connects successfully.
I attach the error message.

I filed an issue to the Jitsi Issues at github for this too, but it seems the github issues are not monitored frequently, so I post here as well.

Thanks.

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On 28.10.2015 10:39, Mr.Smith wrote:

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Jitsi and GTalk is not the best combination anymore, because Google
dropped its XMPP support already longer time ago...

I would suggest that you try still with jit.si XMPP accounts
https://jitsi.org/index.php/Register/Register
as it should avoid "ICE failed" errors etc before you give up Jitsi
client... (it is still the best client for your privacy because has both
zRTP and OTR; I am using it since years...)

br, MS

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#4

The ICE and UPnP setting in the remote jitsi installation were turned off for some reason. I turned them all on. Now I can establish an audio connection but we can't hear each other at all. No sound at all.
I'm done with Jitsi for this year, sorry. No more time to fiddle with the program and its bugs, pecularities and settings to make it work for audio. I haven't been able to carry out a normal audio call in the last few days. Gtalk accounts seem to work (at least about a year ago), and now the call is established but again some setting seems to block the sounds.
As much as I hate programs like skype, they just happen to work and most have android versions (that are buggy as hell) but mostly work well.
And after the other bug with not being able to connect to ippi, it's clear I will return for the next test I guess somewhere in 2017.
I tried to register a jit.si account, it was registered Ok but there were not any settings as to how to setup the account in jitsi. I choose XMPP account but the registration page just displayed itself after registration with no help about how to set it up in jitsi.
Too sad too many bugs and the whole project not user friendly.
It has potential but I'll return in a couple of years to check again.
It seems the devs are fellows from my country, that's why I was stubborn to make Jitsi to work right but it seems it doesn't get better over time.

···

On 28.10.2015 10:39, Mr.Smith wrote:

Jitsi and GTalk is not the best combination anymore, because Google
dropped its XMPP support already longer time ago...

I would suggest that you try still with jit.si XMPP accounts
https://jitsi.org/index.php/Register/Register
as it should avoid "ICE failed" errors etc before you give up Jitsi
client... (it is still the best client for your privacy because has both
zRTP and OTR; I am using it since years...)

br, MS


#5

The ICE and UPnP setting in the remote jitsi installation were turned
off for some reason. I turned them all on. Now I can establish an audio
connection but we can't hear each other at all. No sound at all. I'm
done with Jitsi for this year, sorry. No more time to fiddle with the
program and its bugs, pecularities and settings to make it work for
audio. I haven't been able to carry out a normal audio call in the last
few days. Gtalk accounts seem to work (at least about a year ago), and
now the call is established but again some setting seems to block the
sounds. As much as I hate programs like skype, they just happen to work
and most have android versions (that are buggy as hell) but mostly work
well. And after the other bug with not being able to connect to ippi,
it's clear I will return for the next test I guess somewhere in 2017. I
tried to register a jit.si account, it was registered Ok but there were
not any settings as to how to setup the account in jitsi. I choose XMPP
account but the registration page just displayed itself after
registration with no help about how to set it up in jitsi. Too sad too
many bugs and the whole project not user friendly. It has potential but
I'll return in a couple of years to check again. It seems the devs are
fellows from my country, that's why I was stubborn to make Jitsi to work
right but it seems it doesn't get better over time.

Why don't you start becoming a contributor and help improving things instead of just ranting here at people who spend their free time on Jitsi? Oh wait, you probably just want everything free.

Please don't answer because I won't.

Ingo


#6

Glad you said it... I almost did earlier.

Ain't open source great? If you can't do, at least be constructive instead
of just a complainer... Or document... Do something.

···

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015, 7:34 PM Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

> The ICE and UPnP setting in the remote jitsi installation were turned
> off for some reason. I turned them all on. Now I can establish an audio
> connection but we can't hear each other at all. No sound at all. I'm
> done with Jitsi for this year, sorry. No more time to fiddle with the
> program and its bugs, pecularities and settings to make it work for
> audio. I haven't been able to carry out a normal audio call in the last
> few days. Gtalk accounts seem to work (at least about a year ago), and
> now the call is established but again some setting seems to block the
> sounds. As much as I hate programs like skype, they just happen to work
> and most have android versions (that are buggy as hell) but mostly work
> well. And after the other bug with not being able to connect to ippi,
> it's clear I will return for the next test I guess somewhere in 2017. I
> tried to register a jit.si account, it was registered Ok but there were
> not any settings as to how to setup the account in jitsi. I choose XMPP
> account but the registration page just displayed itself after
> registration with no help about how to set it up in jitsi. Too sad too
> many bugs and the whole project not user friendly. It has potential but
> I'll return in a couple of years to check again. It seems the devs are
> fellows from my country, that's why I was stubborn to make Jitsi to work
> right but it seems it doesn't get better over time.

Why don't you start becoming a contributor and help improving things
instead of just ranting here at people who spend their free time on Jitsi?
Oh wait, you probably just want everything free.

Please don't answer because I won't.

Ingo

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#7

I do contribute to MANY other projects (few dozens, freeware and shareware). Constantly reporting bugs and cooperating. In most cases I see improvements over time and bugs vanish. This motivates me to contribute, to cooperate fixing bugs. The pace with which Jitsi going forward is disappointing after about 3 years I follow its development. Too many bugs and issues that persist for years. Great part of it is due to using Java I presume - Java based software has this tendency of being much more and constantly buggy on Windows compared to non-java/non-qt software.
So I don't accept the sarcasm about wanting everything for free. Even if you make something for free, feel ready to accept ranting from time to time. The same with Skype - you'll find many many to rant against it and it deserves it (that's why I've been searching for something to replace). I had my free projects as web services a decade ago and I could accept every rant as constructive criticism even if I couldn't keep up with some issues being a project "in the free time".

Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh but I lost almost a week trying to make jitsi convenient to use and even to work which I didn't succeed at. Not too many softwares I struggle with (against) for so long.
I had the good intentions, excuse my irritation. A very basic SIP connection (with ippi) was a problem to what's supposed to be primarily a SIP communicator. I tried dozens of other SIP softwares with much less issues. Unfortunately their UX/UI is much worse.
Freeware or not, sarcasm is useless here.

For being able to just text-chat with no issues with others, I would use Miranda (which excels in text) with 3MB of RAM rather than Jitsi with 300MB of RAM (and climbing if just moving the cursor inside the window - a bug not fixed for years, and I reported it in early 2013 - and what happened when I tried to contribute and report? - nothing and its almost 2016).
Thanks.

···

On 29.10.2015 01:33, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

The ICE and UPnP setting in the remote jitsi installation were turned
off for some reason. I turned them all on. Now I can establish an audio
connection but we can't hear each other at all. No sound at all. I'm
done with Jitsi for this year, sorry. No more time to fiddle with the
program and its bugs, pecularities and settings to make it work for
audio. I haven't been able to carry out a normal audio call in the last
few days. Gtalk accounts seem to work (at least about a year ago), and
now the call is established but again some setting seems to block the
sounds. As much as I hate programs like skype, they just happen to work
and most have android versions (that are buggy as hell) but mostly work
well. And after the other bug with not being able to connect to ippi,
it's clear I will return for the next test I guess somewhere in 2017. I
tried to register a jit.si account, it was registered Ok but there were
not any settings as to how to setup the account in jitsi. I choose XMPP
account but the registration page just displayed itself after
registration with no help about how to set it up in jitsi. Too sad too
many bugs and the whole project not user friendly. It has potential but
I'll return in a couple of years to check again. It seems the devs are
fellows from my country, that's why I was stubborn to make Jitsi to work
right but it seems it doesn't get better over time.

Why don't you start becoming a contributor and help improving things instead of just ranting here at people who spend their free time on Jitsi? Oh wait, you probably just want everything free.

Please don't answer because I won't.

Ingo

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#8

Thanks Teodor for your open, honest and respectful words which make a
lot of sense!

I can't resist the impression that Jitsi has been a nice vehicle for
the developers to market themselves to a point they eventually reached
their goal of being bought/ hired by Atlassian. And that is fair
enough as they need food on the table like anybody else. Not fair is
however how they (esp. Emil) have smashed any constructive criticism/
questions regarding the software and the plans to move forward. That's
where I experienced sarcasm, not in Teodor's post. For me it is
sarcasm and/or a communication killer to just shoot down critical
posts with the demand that everyone (esp. the ones posting) need to be
coder/ software developer. This is arrogant and sarcastic. Any
software developer is relying - professionally as well as personally -
on many people with professions nowhere close to that of a programmer.
How nice would it be to see a Doctor, ask for help, point out some
disappointments, want some improvements etc. only to hear, become a
Doc yourself? I know, Jitsi is free, but that does not justify such an
attitude.

Last but not least, the Jitsi desktop client has long been pushed to
the side for WebRTC technology (Jitsi meet). Unfortunately the desktop
client has not been even recognized as an outstanding tool to promote
the Jitsi brand and therefore also the Jitsi meet technology.
Otherwise they wouldn't have abandoned the Android client which would
have been the first and only one of its kind on the market. What a
marketing opportunity for a brand!

It's of course unfair/ unfortunate that Ingo now is mostly getting all
the heat. The guy who is most consistently on this list to answer
questions and help users. While the other developers made themselves
quite rare. Thanks Ingo for your ongoing time, effort and support!

To be clear, this all does not take away the appreciation and respect
the developers deserve for creating Jitsi!

···

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 9:09 PM, Teodor Hadjiev <teohad@gmail.com> wrote:

I do contribute to MANY other projects (few dozens, freeware and shareware).
Constantly reporting bugs and cooperating. In most cases I see improvements
over time and bugs vanish. This motivates me to contribute, to cooperate
fixing bugs. The pace with which Jitsi going forward is disappointing after
about 3 years I follow its development. Too many bugs and issues that
persist for years. Great part of it is due to using Java I presume - Java
based software has this tendency of being much more and constantly buggy on
Windows compared to non-java/non-qt software.
So I don't accept the sarcasm about wanting everything for free. Even if you
make something for free, feel ready to accept ranting from time to time. The
same with Skype - you'll find many many to rant against it and it deserves
it (that's why I've been searching for something to replace). I had my free
projects as web services a decade ago and I could accept every rant as
constructive criticism even if I couldn't keep up with some issues being a
project "in the free time".

Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh but I lost almost a week trying to make jitsi
convenient to use and even to work which I didn't succeed at. Not too many
softwares I struggle with (against) for so long.
I had the good intentions, excuse my irritation. A very basic SIP connection
(with ippi) was a problem to what's supposed to be primarily a SIP
communicator. I tried dozens of other SIP softwares with much less issues.
Unfortunately their UX/UI is much worse.
Freeware or not, sarcasm is useless here.

For being able to just text-chat with no issues with others, I would use
Miranda (which excels in text) with 3MB of RAM rather than Jitsi with 300MB
of RAM (and climbing if just moving the cursor inside the window - a bug not
fixed for years, and I reported it in early 2013 - and what happened when I
tried to contribute and report? - nothing and its almost 2016).
Thanks.

On 29.10.2015 01:33, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

The ICE and UPnP setting in the remote jitsi installation were turned
off for some reason. I turned them all on. Now I can establish an audio
connection but we can't hear each other at all. No sound at all. I'm
done with Jitsi for this year, sorry. No more time to fiddle with the
program and its bugs, pecularities and settings to make it work for
audio. I haven't been able to carry out a normal audio call in the last
few days. Gtalk accounts seem to work (at least about a year ago), and
now the call is established but again some setting seems to block the
sounds. As much as I hate programs like skype, they just happen to work
and most have android versions (that are buggy as hell) but mostly work
well. And after the other bug with not being able to connect to ippi,
it's clear I will return for the next test I guess somewhere in 2017. I
tried to register a jit.si account, it was registered Ok but there were
not any settings as to how to setup the account in jitsi. I choose XMPP
account but the registration page just displayed itself after
registration with no help about how to set it up in jitsi. Too sad too
many bugs and the whole project not user friendly. It has potential but
I'll return in a couple of years to check again. It seems the devs are
fellows from my country, that's why I was stubborn to make Jitsi to work
right but it seems it doesn't get better over time.

Why don't you start becoming a contributor and help improving things
instead of just ranting here at people who spend their free time on Jitsi?
Oh wait, you probably just want everything free.

Please don't answer because I won't.

Ingo

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#9

Not fair is however how
they (esp. Emil) have smashed any constructive criticism/ questions
regarding the software and the plans to move forward.

AFAIK there are no plans from Atlassian to do any development on the desktop client. It doesn't fit in their business model. They have HipChat for that. You can be thankful to Emil that he insisted on keeping the further development of all the components that make up Jitsi and Meet open source. This wasn't an obvious move for an otherwise entirely closed source company.

The only way Atlassian would invest time in the desktop client is if code from Meet can be shared. This requires a new UI and is a major project that I cannot do by myself.

If Jitsi really is "promising" "nice" "the only application that does xyz", then why the hell hasn't ANYONE picked up some development? There has been the amazing amount of, lo and behold, THREE completed pull requests this year!
Nine more are open where there are either issues, someone else started commenting, the CLA status is unclear.

(Oh the CLA, don't get me started. Please send a rant to DocuSign for not replying to our API certification request to get this shit automated.)

Now if someone says I'm too picky about pull requests, insist on formatting and proper history. Maybe. Just try creating such a pull request on the Linux Kernel. You'll be called a moron that needs to get his shit together and to piss off. At least I'm trying to give actual feedback on them. It probably isn't always in the right tone either.

E.g. those having problems with the audio systems: there's a fork of libjitsi from Metaswitch [1] that involves a lot of improvements on the audio systems. Unfortunately, they didn't actively contribute back to the main repository, so it's out of sync. And they either stopped developing or simply stopped publishing changes since libjitsi went Apache licensed.

Or those who want it distributed by Debian etc.: start to help by unforking Jitsi's numerous dependencies, e.g. convince an upstream developer to include OSGi metadata in his libraries [2] or provide configuration options for things we've manually overridden [3]. Create Debian packages for those dependencies.

[...]

It's of course unfair/ unfortunate that Ingo now is mostly getting all
the heat. The guy who is most consistently on this list to answer
questions and help users. While the other developers made themselves
quite rare. Thanks Ingo for your ongoing time, effort and support!

To be clear, this all does not take away the appreciation and respect
the developers deserve for creating Jitsi!

Thank you.

Ingo

[1] https://github.com/Metaswitch/libjitsi
[2] https://github.com/bitletorg/weupnp/pull/16
[3] https://github.com/bitletorg/weupnp/pull/15


#10

Oh, that's interesting ... did I inadvertently reject a pull request from someone?

Or are you accusing me of pointing out to people that "please do the work that would make your project more useful to me" is not as valuable a contribution as many seem to believe?

I would apologize for the former, I readily plead guilty to the latter :slight_smile:

Emil

···

On 29.10.15 г. 17:52, rsnewsbox wrote:

Thanks Teodor for your open, honest and respectful words which make a
lot of sense!

I can't resist the impression that Jitsi has been a nice vehicle for
the developers to market themselves to a point they eventually reached
their goal of being bought/ hired by Atlassian. And that is fair
enough as they need food on the table like anybody else. Not fair is
however how they (esp. Emil) have smashed any constructive criticism/

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#11

Hi Ingo,

Thanks for taking the time for your detailed and informative reply -
even free of sarcasm and polemic ;} :slight_smile:

As pointed out before I do appreciate the huge effort the developers
have put into Jitsi. That of course also includes Emil - intependent
of some disagreements about style of communication, leadership and
strategies.

I assume you already have answered the question indirectly whether you
guys know anything about the lack of contribution by asking for the
reason yourself. You might not know yourself. The fact of lack of
contribution is of course surprising and sad, considering the good
reputation and need of/ for Jitsi. To improve this beyond just trial
and error it would be very helpful to understand the reasons for this
behaviour/ observation. Have you guys taken any steps or gained any
insight about this?

Thanks again,
John

···

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org> wrote:

Not fair is however how
they (esp. Emil) have smashed any constructive criticism/ questions
regarding the software and the plans to move forward.

AFAIK there are no plans from Atlassian to do any development on the desktop client. It doesn't fit in their business model. They have HipChat for that. You can be thankful to Emil that he insisted on keeping the further development of all the components that make up Jitsi and Meet open source. This wasn't an obvious move for an otherwise entirely closed source company.

The only way Atlassian would invest time in the desktop client is if code from Meet can be shared. This requires a new UI and is a major project that I cannot do by myself.

If Jitsi really is "promising" "nice" "the only application that does xyz", then why the hell hasn't ANYONE picked up some development? There has been the amazing amount of, lo and behold, THREE completed pull requests this year!
Nine more are open where there are either issues, someone else started commenting, the CLA status is unclear.

(Oh the CLA, don't get me started. Please send a rant to DocuSign for not replying to our API certification request to get this shit automated.)

Now if someone says I'm too picky about pull requests, insist on formatting and proper history. Maybe. Just try creating such a pull request on the Linux Kernel. You'll be called a moron that needs to get his shit together and to piss off. At least I'm trying to give actual feedback on them. It probably isn't always in the right tone either.

E.g. those having problems with the audio systems: there's a fork of libjitsi from Metaswitch [1] that involves a lot of improvements on the audio systems. Unfortunately, they didn't actively contribute back to the main repository, so it's out of sync. And they either stopped developing or simply stopped publishing changes since libjitsi went Apache licensed.

Or those who want it distributed by Debian etc.: start to help by unforking Jitsi's numerous dependencies, e.g. convince an upstream developer to include OSGi metadata in his libraries [2] or provide configuration options for things we've manually overridden [3]. Create Debian packages for those dependencies.

[...]

It's of course unfair/ unfortunate that Ingo now is mostly getting all
the heat. The guy who is most consistently on this list to answer
questions and help users. While the other developers made themselves
quite rare. Thanks Ingo for your ongoing time, effort and support!

To be clear, this all does not take away the appreciation and respect
the developers deserve for creating Jitsi!

Thank you.

Ingo

[1] https://github.com/Metaswitch/libjitsi
[2] https://github.com/bitletorg/weupnp/pull/16
[3] https://github.com/bitletorg/weupnp/pull/15

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#12

Hi Ingo,

Thanks for taking the time for your detailed and informative reply -
even free of sarcasm and polemic ;} :slight_smile:

As pointed out before I do appreciate the huge effort the developers
have put into Jitsi. That of course also includes Emil - intependent of
some disagreements about style of communication, leadership and
strategies.

I assume you already have answered the question indirectly whether you
guys know anything about the lack of contribution by asking for the
reason yourself. You might not know yourself. The fact of lack of
contribution is of course surprising and sad, considering the good
reputation and need of/ for Jitsi. To improve this beyond just trial
and error it would be very helpful to understand the reasons for this
behaviour/ observation. Have you guys taken any steps or gained any
insight about this?

Developers are a scarce resource even if they're paid. Now go for volunteering and they're almost non-existent. And Jitsi's codebase isn't that simple.

Thanks again,
John

Ingo


#13

:slight_smile:

There was no need to confrim it. Thanks anyway.

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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

On 29.10.15 г. 17:52, rsnewsbox wrote:

Thanks Teodor for your open, honest and respectful words which make a
lot of sense!

I can't resist the impression that Jitsi has been a nice vehicle for
the developers to market themselves to a point they eventually reached
their goal of being bought/ hired by Atlassian. And that is fair
enough as they need food on the table like anybody else. Not fair is
however how they (esp. Emil) have smashed any constructive criticism/

Oh, that's interesting ... did I inadvertently reject a pull request from
someone?

Or are you accusing me of pointing out to people that "please do the work
that would make your project more useful to me" is not as valuable a
contribution as many seem to believe?

I would apologize for the former, I readily plead guilty to the latter :slight_smile:

Emil

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