[jitsi-dev] XMPP Contact List Issues/Improvements


#1

Running latest nightly jitsi-2.5.5159-x86.msi on Win8 (x64). We are AD integrated for contact source.

MUC XMPP Related

1) Would be nice to right-click on participants in the MUC to add them to contacts list

2) If I PM someone from the chat room, even if they r already a contact in my buddy list, they get added to "NotInContactList" group. The only thing I can is then "Remove Contact" them. If they weren't already on my buddy list, there is no option to move them from NotInContactList (red arrows in attached screenshot)

3) Now they show up twice in "Recent Conversations" too (blue arrows in attached screenshot)

General Contact List related

1) If someone not on my buddy list IM's me, they are added to NotInContactList group. The only thing I can do is "Remove Contact". I cannot drag them to the regular "Contacts" group. And there isn't an easy right click--> add to contact list option. So I remove them then search and add them via AD.

The only easy solution I can think of is to scrap the "NotInContactList" feature, or is there possibly a way to disable the feature? Similarly, now that there is a "Recent conversations" feature, we still would run into the issue of duplicate contacts showing up there.


#2

Hi,

Running latest nightly jitsi-2.5.5159-x86.msi on Win8 (x64). We are AD
integrated for contact source.

MUC XMPP Related

1) Would be nice to right-click on participants in the MUC to add them
to contacts list

The problem is that you cannot do this, normally the participant do
not have jid so they cannot be added. Normally you can contact them
only through the chat room (tier1@conference.someservice/Sharmon). You
cannot add a user by adding its display name.

2) If I PM someone from the chat room, even if they r already a contact
in my buddy list, they get added to "NotInContactList" group. The only thing
I can is then "Remove Contact" them. If they weren't already on my buddy
list, there is no option to move them from NotInContactList (red arrows in
attached screenshot)

Yes, this is the desired behavior again - normally no jid, nothing to
match contacts.

3) Now they show up twice in "Recent Conversations" too (blue arrows in
attached screenshot)

They are different contacts, one is contacted through chat room.

General Contact List related

1) If someone not on my buddy list IM's me, they are added to
NotInContactList group. The only thing I can do is "Remove Contact". I
cannot drag them to the regular "Contacts" group. And there isn't an easy
right clickà add to contact list option. So I remove them then search and
add them via AD.

Normally you can add them by right clicking on the contact or drag and
drop them in a group or contact, if it is not working it is a bug. You
cannot drag them to the Contacts group, this is a special group for
all contacts that do not belong to a group, maybe it is a problem only
with that group. Can you do this with different group?

The only easy solution I can think of is to scrap the "NotInContactList"
feature, or is there possibly a way to disable the feature? Similarly, now
that there is a "Recent conversations" feature, we still would run into the
issue of duplicate contacts showing up there.

Currently this is not possible as to chat with somebody the UI needs a
contact. This is the reason we introduced a contact list group, which
is not persistent (disappears after restart) which has all the
contacts that do not belong to the contact list.

Regards
damencho

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#3

Thank you Damian for explaining.

I did not realize NotInContactList is not persistent. Thank you.

After restarting the "Sharmon Bordeau" contact (which is in AD) is now showing as "Sharmon.bordeau@ssdcservices.com" under Recent Conversations which is not a big deal but does not seem like correction functionality (see screenshot)

Is there a way to disable "Recent Conversations" feature?

Aaron Dixon | IT Specialist | SSDC Services
Office: 248-277-9304 | Cell: 248-935-7353 | aaron.dixon@ssdcservices.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: dev-bounces@jitsi.org [mailto:dev-bounces@jitsi.org] On Behalf Of Damian Minkov
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:59 AM
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: Re: [jitsi-dev] XMPP Contact List Issues/Improvements

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Aaron Dixon <Aaron.Dixon@ssdcservices.com> wrote:

Running latest nightly jitsi-2.5.5159-x86.msi on Win8 (x64). We are AD
integrated for contact source.

MUC XMPP Related

1) Would be nice to right-click on participants in the MUC to add them
to contacts list

The problem is that you cannot do this, normally the participant do not have jid so they cannot be added. Normally you can contact them only through the chat room (tier1@conference.someservice/Sharmon). You cannot add a user by adding its display name.

2) If I PM someone from the chat room, even if they r already a contact
in my buddy list, they get added to "NotInContactList" group. The only
thing I can is then "Remove Contact" them. If they weren't already on
my buddy list, there is no option to move them from NotInContactList
(red arrows in attached screenshot)

Yes, this is the desired behavior again - normally no jid, nothing to match contacts.

3) Now they show up twice in "Recent Conversations" too (blue arrows in
attached screenshot)

They are different contacts, one is contacted through chat room.

General Contact List related

1) If someone not on my buddy list IM's me, they are added to
NotInContactList group. The only thing I can do is "Remove Contact". I
cannot drag them to the regular "Contacts" group. And there isn't an
easy right clickà add to contact list option. So I remove them then
search and add them via AD.

Normally you can add them by right clicking on the contact or drag and drop them in a group or contact, if it is not working it is a bug. You cannot drag them to the Contacts group, this is a special group for all contacts that do not belong to a group, maybe it is a problem only with that group. Can you do this with different group?

The only easy solution I can think of is to scrap the "NotInContactList"
feature, or is there possibly a way to disable the feature? Similarly,
now that there is a "Recent conversations" feature, we still would run
into the issue of duplicate contacts showing up there.

Currently this is not possible as to chat with somebody the UI needs a contact. This is the reason we introduced a contact list group, which is not persistent (disappears after restart) which has all the contacts that do not belong to the contact list.

Regards
damencho

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#4

Hi,

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Aaron Dixon <Aaron.Dixon@ssdcservices.com> wrote:

Is there a way to disable "Recent Conversations" feature?

Yes you can disable it in General tab under Options/Preferences, the
option is 'show recent conversations'.

Regards
damencho


#5

The only easy solution I can think of is to scrap the "NotInContactList"
feature, or is there possibly a way to disable the feature? Similarly,
now that there is a "Recent conversations" feature, we still would run
into the issue of duplicate contacts showing up there.

Currently this is not possible as to chat with somebody the UI
needs a contact. This is the reason we introduced a contact list
group, which is not persistent (disappears after restart) which
has all the contacts that do not belong to the contact list.

I tested and I was able to add NotInContactList users to a new group I created, but since many of our users do not create groups this does not help them. (Since we can't do add these users when no groups exist)

Would it be possible to add a feature to "hide" NotInContactList group? Not disable, but just hide.
It is confusing to our users why the same person shows up twice in the contact list when they message someone from MUC who is already on their contact list.

Alternatively, maybe "hide" MUC users from NotInContactList since I do not think there is much reason to show them when they will show up in your MUC room.

I guess this functionality will just take explaining to users but it would be nice if it was intuitive and self-explanatory. Duplicate contacts and not being able to add users isn't.

Thanks a lot for all your dev works. Jitsi is great!

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From: dev-bounces@jitsi.org [mailto:dev-bounces@jitsi.org] On Behalf Of Damian Minkov
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: Re: [jitsi-dev] XMPP Contact List Issues/Improvements

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Aaron Dixon <Aaron.Dixon@ssdcservices.com> wrote:

Is there a way to disable "Recent Conversations" feature?

Yes you can disable it in General tab under Options/Preferences, the option is 'show recent conversations'.

Regards
damencho

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#6

After looking at spark, it seems to just not have a NotInContactList.
So maybe the option to just hide this group would be optimal.

Is it possible to hide this group? Would be MUCH appreciated!

Aaron Dixon | IT Specialist | SSDC Services
Office: 248-277-9304 | Cell: 248-935-7353 | aaron.dixon@ssdcservices.com

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From: dev-bounces@jitsi.org [mailto:dev-bounces@jitsi.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:19 PM
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: Re: [jitsi-dev] XMPP Contact List Issues/Improvements

The only easy solution I can think of is to scrap the "NotInContactList"
feature, or is there possibly a way to disable the feature? Similarly,
now that there is a "Recent conversations" feature, we still would run
into the issue of duplicate contacts showing up there.

Currently this is not possible as to chat with somebody the UI
needs a contact. This is the reason we introduced a contact list
group, which is not persistent (disappears after restart) which has
all the contacts that do not belong to the contact list.

I tested and I was able to add NotInContactList users to a new group I created, but since many of our users do not create groups this does not help them. (Since we can't do add these users when no groups exist)

Would it be possible to add a feature to "hide" NotInContactList group? Not disable, but just hide.
It is confusing to our users why the same person shows up twice in the contact list when they message someone from MUC who is already on their contact list.

Alternatively, maybe "hide" MUC users from NotInContactList since I do not think there is much reason to show them when they will show up in your MUC room.

I guess this functionality will just take explaining to users but it would be nice if it was intuitive and self-explanatory. Duplicate contacts and not being able to add users isn't.

Thanks a lot for all your dev works. Jitsi is great!
  
-----Original Message-----
From: dev-bounces@jitsi.org [mailto:dev-bounces@jitsi.org] On Behalf Of Damian Minkov
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: Re: [jitsi-dev] XMPP Contact List Issues/Improvements

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Aaron Dixon <Aaron.Dixon@ssdcservices.com> wrote:

Is there a way to disable "Recent Conversations" feature?

Yes you can disable it in General tab under Options/Preferences, the option is 'show recent conversations'.

Regards
damencho

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#7

Hi again,

we had some problems with showing Contacts group which I fixed today
and while doing that I added the option to be able to drag contacts
from NotInContactList to that group, as you do with other groups. And
also added that group to the move menu in right click menu. This will
be in build 5163.

The only easy solution I can think of is to scrap the "NotInContactList"
feature, or is there possibly a way to disable the feature? Similarly,
now that there is a "Recent conversations" feature, we still would run
into the issue of duplicate contacts showing up there.

Currently this is not possible as to chat with somebody the UI
needs a contact. This is the reason we introduced a contact list
group, which is not persistent (disappears after restart) which
has all the contacts that do not belong to the contact list.

I tested and I was able to add NotInContactList users to a new group I created, but since many of our users do not create groups this does not help them. (Since we can't do add these users when no groups exist)

Would it be possible to add a feature to "hide" NotInContactList group? Not disable, but just hide.
It is confusing to our users why the same person shows up twice in the contact list when they message someone from MUC who is already on their contact list.

Alternatively, maybe "hide" MUC users from NotInContactList since I do not think there is much reason to show them when they will show up in your MUC room.

I guess this functionality will just take explaining to users but it would be nice if it was intuitive and self-explanatory. Duplicate contacts and not being able to add users isn't.

We do not have any option to hide any contacts or groups, patches are
always welcome.

Thanks a lot for all your dev works. Jitsi is great!

Thanks for the kind words.

Regards
damencho

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Aaron Dixon <Aaron.Dixon@ssdcservices.com> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: dev-bounces@jitsi.org [mailto:dev-bounces@jitsi.org] On Behalf Of Damian Minkov
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: Re: [jitsi-dev] XMPP Contact List Issues/Improvements

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Aaron Dixon <Aaron.Dixon@ssdcservices.com> wrote:

Is there a way to disable "Recent Conversations" feature?

Yes you can disable it in General tab under Options/Preferences, the option is 'show recent conversations'.

Regards
damencho

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#8

Just did some quick testing on this and looks great! Thank you kindly!

Aaron Dixon | IT Specialist | SSDC Services
Office: 248-277-9304 | Cell: 248-935-7353 | aaron.dixon@ssdcservices.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: dev-bounces@jitsi.org [mailto:dev-bounces@jitsi.org] On Behalf Of Damian Minkov
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:49 AM
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: Re: [jitsi-dev] XMPP Contact List Issues/Improvements

Hi again,

we had some problems with showing Contacts group which I fixed today and while doing that I added the option to be able to drag contacts from NotInContactList to that group, as you do with other groups. And also added that group to the move menu in right click menu. This will be in build 5163.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Aaron Dixon <Aaron.Dixon@ssdcservices.com> wrote:

The only easy solution I can think of is to scrap the "NotInContactList"
feature, or is there possibly a way to disable the feature?
Similarly, now that there is a "Recent conversations" feature, we
still would run into the issue of duplicate contacts showing up there.

Currently this is not possible as to chat with somebody the UI
needs a contact. This is the reason we introduced a contact list
group, which is not persistent (disappears after restart) which
has all the contacts that do not belong to the contact list.

I tested and I was able to add NotInContactList users to a new group I
created, but since many of our users do not create groups this does
not help them. (Since we can't do add these users when no groups
exist)

Would it be possible to add a feature to "hide" NotInContactList group? Not disable, but just hide.
It is confusing to our users why the same person shows up twice in the contact list when they message someone from MUC who is already on their contact list.

Alternatively, maybe "hide" MUC users from NotInContactList since I do not think there is much reason to show them when they will show up in your MUC room.

I guess this functionality will just take explaining to users but it would be nice if it was intuitive and self-explanatory. Duplicate contacts and not being able to add users isn't.

We do not have any option to hide any contacts or groups, patches are always welcome.

Thanks a lot for all your dev works. Jitsi is great!

Thanks for the kind words.

Regards
damencho

-----Original Message-----
From: dev-bounces@jitsi.org [mailto:dev-bounces@jitsi.org] On Behalf
Of Damian Minkov
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: Re: [jitsi-dev] XMPP Contact List Issues/Improvements

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Aaron Dixon <Aaron.Dixon@ssdcservices.com> wrote:

Is there a way to disable "Recent Conversations" feature?

Yes you can disable it in General tab under Options/Preferences, the option is 'show recent conversations'.

Regards
damencho

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