[jitsi-dev] Users count in a conference (was: Re: Flow to new features)


#1

Hi

Thank you by your reply, Damian, but I'm a newbie user. Where i find the
callstats? Is a bar icon in the filmstrip? If yes, haven't nothing about
users there. Only the users in that moment.

In other hand, is possible to use a piwik to mensure the number of users in
each room. In the issue, I said that isn't possible, but reviewing my piwik
instance again, i saw how many people entered in each room per day and time
average of them.

I think that can be a good feature to jitsi-meet.

Regards,
Claudio Ferreira

···

2016-07-20 14:40 GMT-03:00 Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org>:

Hi again,

I see your point, but we do not have the resources to manage all
these. And as the mailinglist is the one we used and is the one to
reach more people, it is still the main way for communicating.
For statistics we use callstats, there you can see different stats
about quality, events (like when someone muted) and you can see the
list of the participants(unique).


#2

Hi,

this is external service that is used (http://www.callstats.io/), you
must subscribe for it and configure it in your deployment. And then
all the stats you can check by logging at their site. I don't
currently see this can be implemented outside meet (pmwiki). Counting
the participants in the muc will not resolve this, as if you reload
you will get a different jid when joining the room and you will be
counted twice, so you cannot use this.

Regards
damencho

···

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Claudio Ferreia Filho <filhocf@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi

Thank you by your reply, Damian, but I'm a newbie user. Where i find the
callstats? Is a bar icon in the filmstrip? If yes, haven't nothing about
users there. Only the users in that moment.

In other hand, is possible to use a piwik to mensure the number of users in
each room. In the issue, I said that isn't possible, but reviewing my piwik
instance again, i saw how many people entered in each room per day and time
average of them.

I think that can be a good feature to jitsi-meet.

Regards,
Claudio Ferreira

2016-07-20 14:40 GMT-03:00 Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org>:

Hi again,

I see your point, but we do not have the resources to manage all
these. And as the mailinglist is the one we used and is the one to
reach more people, it is still the main way for communicating.
For statistics we use callstats, there you can see different stats
about quality, events (like when someone muted) and you can see the
list of the participants(unique).

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#3

Hi,

Thank you, damencho, by your explanation.

Maybe i gaven't necessary information. I suggested the use of Piwik[1], a
open source concurrent of Google Analytics, that (like callstats) need a
small script that do a contact between the user browser and the server of
callstats. Piwik, as a tool of webanalytics, monitor URLs, so if I have a
server myjitsimeet.com, it monitore all subURLs of my site. In this way, if
we do a meeting in myjitsimeet.com/ourmeeting, it monitor how many people
accessed this URL (unique users).
[1]https://www.piwik.org

In other hand, I'm not a programmer, so I haven't idea of the cost to
implement a counter. If I understand correctly, each new session generate a
JID (Jitsi-meet ID? JS ID? Java ID?), and I ask how complex is to implement
a counter of cookies to monitor how many users passed in the session.

I also think that this info can be placed together whit other icons
filmstrip, chat and users, where only the conf owner can see (like the old
record button, when activated).

Regards,
Claudio Ferreira

···

2016-07-20 17:04 GMT-03:00 Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org>:

Hi,

this is external service that is used (http://www.callstats.io/), you
must subscribe for it and configure it in your deployment. And then
all the stats you can check by logging at their site. I don't
currently see this can be implemented outside meet (pmwiki). Counting
the participants in the muc will not resolve this, as if you reload
you will get a different jid when joining the room and you will be
counted twice, so you cannot use this.

Regards
damencho

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Claudio Ferreia Filho > <filhocf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thank you by your reply, Damian, but I'm a newbie user. Where i find the
> callstats? Is a bar icon in the filmstrip? If yes, haven't nothing about
> users there. Only the users in that moment.
>
> In other hand, is possible to use a piwik to mensure the number of users
in
> each room. In the issue, I said that isn't possible, but reviewing my
piwik
> instance again, i saw how many people entered in each room per day and
time
> average of them.
>
> I think that can be a good feature to jitsi-meet.
>
> Regards,
> Claudio Ferreira
>
> 2016-07-20 14:40 GMT-03:00 Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org>:
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> I see your point, but we do not have the resources to manage all
>> these. And as the mailinglist is the one we used and is the one to
>> reach more people, it is still the main way for communicating.
>> For statistics we use callstats, there you can see different stats
>> about quality, events (like when someone muted) and you can see the
>> list of the participants(unique).
>
>
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#4

Hi,

Hi,

Thank you, damencho, by your explanation.

Maybe i gaven't necessary information. I suggested the use of Piwik[1], a
open source concurrent of Google Analytics, that (like callstats) need a
small script that do a contact between the user browser and the server of
callstats. Piwik, as a tool of webanalytics, monitor URLs, so if I have a
server myjitsimeet.com, it monitore all subURLs of my site. In this way, if
we do a meeting in myjitsimeet.com/ourmeeting, it monitor how many people
accessed this URL (unique users).
[1]https://www.piwik.org

I see, well it needs implementing another statistics module.

In other hand, I'm not a programmer, so I haven't idea of the cost to
implement a counter. If I understand correctly, each new session generate a
JID (Jitsi-meet ID? JS ID? Java ID?), and I ask how complex is to implement
a counter of cookies to monitor how many users passed in the session.

Cookies is something we try to avoid.

I also think that this info can be placed together whit other icons
filmstrip, chat and users, where only the conf owner can see (like the old
record button, when activated).

It can be implemented, but it is something that is not a priority, I
do not see it as a something that matches the current usecase for
normal user of meet and about administering it you can already see
this value.
I think, currently there is an option to replace the analytics
implementation, you can replace it with yours which will report to the
piwik the name of the conference and the variable from localstorage:
callStatsUserName, which is unique through reloads and you can use it
to count the unique users in a conference in piwik.

Regards
damencho

···

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Claudio Ferreia Filho <filhocf@gmail.com> wrote:

Regards,
Claudio Ferreira

2016-07-20 17:04 GMT-03:00 Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org>:

Hi,

this is external service that is used (http://www.callstats.io/), you
must subscribe for it and configure it in your deployment. And then
all the stats you can check by logging at their site. I don't
currently see this can be implemented outside meet (pmwiki). Counting
the participants in the muc will not resolve this, as if you reload
you will get a different jid when joining the room and you will be
counted twice, so you cannot use this.

Regards
damencho

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Claudio Ferreia Filho >> <filhocf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thank you by your reply, Damian, but I'm a newbie user. Where i find the
> callstats? Is a bar icon in the filmstrip? If yes, haven't nothing about
> users there. Only the users in that moment.
>
> In other hand, is possible to use a piwik to mensure the number of users
> in
> each room. In the issue, I said that isn't possible, but reviewing my
> piwik
> instance again, i saw how many people entered in each room per day and
> time
> average of them.
>
> I think that can be a good feature to jitsi-meet.
>
> Regards,
> Claudio Ferreira
>
> 2016-07-20 14:40 GMT-03:00 Damian Minkov <damencho@jitsi.org>:
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> I see your point, but we do not have the resources to manage all
>> these. And as the mailinglist is the one we used and is the one to
>> reach more people, it is still the main way for communicating.
>> For statistics we use callstats, there you can see different stats
>> about quality, events (like when someone muted) and you can see the
>> list of the participants(unique).
>
>
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#5

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On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Claudio Ferreia Filho <filhocf@gmail.com> wrote:

In other hand, I'm not a programmer, so I haven't idea of the cost to
implement a counter. If I understand correctly, each new session generate a
JID (Jitsi-meet ID? JS ID? Java ID?)


#6

Thank you, Sam.

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2016-07-21 10:57 GMT-03:00 Sam Whited <sam@samwhited.com>:

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 6:10 AM, Claudio Ferreia Filho > <filhocf@gmail.com> wrote:
> In other hand, I'm not a programmer, so I haven't idea of the cost to
> implement a counter. If I understand correctly, each new session
generate a
> JID (Jitsi-meet ID? JS ID? Java ID?)

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