[jitsi-dev] Proposed Project to add Functionality to Jitsi for use in Harvard's Online Extension Copyright Course


#1

Jitsi Developers,

Currently Harvard Extension's online copyright course
(http://copyx.org/) uses a service conducted by Adobe Inc.

There are two main problems with Harvextensionard's using this service
for their
online course.

1. It forces students who decide to take the online course to hand over
personal information to Adobe Inc., which other than the service has
nothing to do with the class.

2. It forces students to run proprietary software on their computers. In
order to use the service, students must install an Adobe plug-in (either
the Adobe Connect plug-in or Adobe Flash) to utilize the service.

Adobe uses this power-grab to gauge Harvard of money via vendor lock-in,
of course. It probably (most likely) spies on Harvard and its students
in various ways.

At any rate, the professor is interested in replacing Adobe Connect with
Jitsi if--and only if--it is modified to become a suitable replacement
functionality-wise. Is this something that the development community is
interested in doing?

$$ Money $$

So, the other part of this is how do we pay the team that makes the
improvements. The current proposal is to crowdfund via
https://www.crowdsupply.com/ -- is this something that would be
agreeable with the Jitsi development team?

The big question is /how much would an undertaking like this cost?/ When
the developers reading this have the chance, please propose some quotes
based on desires and needs stated by the class' team (detailed below).
If an exact number is difficult to pinpoint, please let me know between
what range might it cost as well as an acceptable hourly rate for
members of the development team who would work on this project.

The functionality desired by Harvard's team is the following (as
described by a TA for the class):

···

---

Requirements for CopyrightX collaboration tool — Draft, 1/14/2016
For Devin Ulibarri and the Jitsi project

* (Asterisk) indicates feature present in Adobe Connect

Structural needs (that are currently met through Adobe Connect):
• Dedicated, medium-term tech support (most of our users have little
to no technical know-how, and because class time is very limited, we
need to be able to troubleshoot issues in real-time during the course’s
operation from January to May)*
• Off-site hosting*
• 25-30 simultaneous users at a time*

(Devin's NOTE: I do not know if the /really/ want "Off-site hosting" --
I think the TA's and teachers just do not want to have to think about it
too much. I do know one person on the Harvard IT team that may be able
to assist if we want to try and host it at Harvard)

Required features:
• Audio chat*
• Text chat*
• Presentation sharing (screen sharing)*
• Ability to track attendance*
• Polls*

Features that would be nice:
• Video*
• Breakout groups*
• Ability for students to meet on their own without a teaching fellow
or admin present
• Ability for users to attend a different section (without manual
intervention and without distorting attendance data)
• Single sign-on*
• Ability to track participation*
• Ability to look at bandwidth statistics
• Ability to look at login attempts for users
• Ability to upload presentation material, i.e., PowerPoint slides*
• Ability to limit access to the meeting and/or remove participants
from the meeting*

(Devin's NOTE: Harvard is forking over thousands--maybe ten's of
thousands--of dollars to Adobe for their current service, so really I
think some kind of recurring fee for Jitsi-as-a-service is justifiable
given that it doesn't compromise the ideals of 1. protecting
student/school privacy and 2. software freedom)

---

Thank you,
Devin U.


#2

i am not affiliated with jitsi, just a dev doing small patches and
casually lurking around, but what i would be interested in:
how many students are there in total per year, usually?
are other courses also using the adobe thing?
could jitsi potentially be used for all online courses?
if yes, you could maybe also use some IT assets and skills of the
central harvard IT facility, at least for hosting, or possibly use
them as a buffer for support between you and the jitsi community,
assembling knowledge about jitsi there too.

···

2016-05-16 19:55 GMT+02:00, Devin Ulibarri <devin@ulibarri.website>:

Jitsi Developers,

Currently Harvard Extension's online copyright course
(http://copyx.org/) uses a service conducted by Adobe Inc.

There are two main problems with Harvextensionard's using this service
for their
online course.

1. It forces students who decide to take the online course to hand over
personal information to Adobe Inc., which other than the service has
nothing to do with the class.

2. It forces students to run proprietary software on their computers. In
order to use the service, students must install an Adobe plug-in (either
the Adobe Connect plug-in or Adobe Flash) to utilize the service.

Adobe uses this power-grab to gauge Harvard of money via vendor lock-in,
of course. It probably (most likely) spies on Harvard and its students
in various ways.

At any rate, the professor is interested in replacing Adobe Connect with
Jitsi if--and only if--it is modified to become a suitable replacement
functionality-wise. Is this something that the development community is
interested in doing?

$$ Money $$

So, the other part of this is how do we pay the team that makes the
improvements. The current proposal is to crowdfund via
https://www.crowdsupply.com/ -- is this something that would be
agreeable with the Jitsi development team?

The big question is /how much would an undertaking like this cost?/ When
the developers reading this have the chance, please propose some quotes
based on desires and needs stated by the class' team (detailed below).
If an exact number is difficult to pinpoint, please let me know between
what range might it cost as well as an acceptable hourly rate for
members of the development team who would work on this project.

The functionality desired by Harvard's team is the following (as
described by a TA for the class):

---

Requirements for CopyrightX collaboration tool — Draft, 1/14/2016
For Devin Ulibarri and the Jitsi project

* (Asterisk) indicates feature present in Adobe Connect

Structural needs (that are currently met through Adobe Connect):
• Dedicated, medium-term tech support (most of our users have little
to no technical know-how, and because class time is very limited, we
need to be able to troubleshoot issues in real-time during the course’s
operation from January to May)*
• Off-site hosting*
• 25-30 simultaneous users at a time*

(Devin's NOTE: I do not know if the /really/ want "Off-site hosting" --
I think the TA's and teachers just do not want to have to think about it
too much. I do know one person on the Harvard IT team that may be able
to assist if we want to try and host it at Harvard)

Required features:
• Audio chat*
• Text chat*
• Presentation sharing (screen sharing)*
• Ability to track attendance*
• Polls*

Features that would be nice:
• Video*
• Breakout groups*
• Ability for students to meet on their own without a teaching fellow
or admin present
• Ability for users to attend a different section (without manual
intervention and without distorting attendance data)
• Single sign-on*
• Ability to track participation*
• Ability to look at bandwidth statistics
• Ability to look at login attempts for users
• Ability to upload presentation material, i.e., PowerPoint slides*
• Ability to limit access to the meeting and/or remove participants
from the meeting*

(Devin's NOTE: Harvard is forking over thousands--maybe ten's of
thousands--of dollars to Adobe for their current service, so really I
think some kind of recurring fee for Jitsi-as-a-service is justifiable
given that it doesn't compromise the ideals of 1. protecting
student/school privacy and 2. software freedom)

---

Thank you,
Devin U.

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#3

Hello Devin,

I was as a devops sysadmin with the Jitsi team in the past and now I'm
running my own company for Jisti services, mostly Jitsi Meet support
and integration.

We are integrating Jitsi Meet for our clients -- large organizations
internal communications platform, commercial public platform for web
conferences, small online courses website etc.

Jitsi Meet uses open standards to provide web conferences. The
participants need only a web browser to use it and it is a free
software.

Most of your requirements are either already available in Jitsi Meet
(audio/video/text, screen sharing, owner moderation) or we can
implement them for you, by integrating Jitsi Meet in a portal website
with users accounts, groups, rights, statistics, conference schedules
etc. We also have the resources to host it for you and provide support.

I'll be glad to discuss more details off-list, if you are interested.
Thanks,
Yasen

···

On Mon, 16 May 2016 13:55:25 -0400 Devin Ulibarri wrote:

When the developers reading this have the chance, please propose some
quotes based on desires and needs stated by the class' team (detailed
below). If an exact number is difficult to pinpoint, please let me
know between what range might it cost as well as an acceptable hourly
rate for members of the development team who would work on this
project.

--

Yasen Pramatarov
Lindeas Ltd. https://lindeas.com
'working on GNU/Linux ideas'
Professional Jitsi Meet services