[jitsi-dev] Page title order for Jitsi website


#1

The HTML titles for each page of the Jitsi website start with the name of the site, followed by the section, followed by the individual page:

"Jitsi (SIP Communicator) | Documentation / InstallAndSetupOnWindows"

Unfortunately this title order makes it impossible to distinguish between browser tabs (they are all labeled "Jitsi (SIP Co..." in the screenshot attached) and makes the experience of referencing multiple pages a frustrating one. For what it is worth useability expert, Jakob Nielsen, lists this as number 6 on his list of "Top 10 Mistakes in Web Design". http://www.nngroup.com/articles/top-10-mistakes-web-design/

The favicon already indicates the site. The most important part of the title is the part that refers to the specific page.

Any chance we can flip the order for the page titles like Wikipedia and other sites do?

"InstallAndSetupOnWindows | Documentation | Jitsi (SIP Communicator) "

David


#2

Any chance we can flip the order for the page titles like Wikipedia and other sites do?

or at least remove "(SIP Communicator)" and have more space available.


#3

If anoyone knows how to change this with PMwiki, tips are most welcome.

Emil

--sent from my mobile

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On Jan 18, 2013 8:32 AM, "David Bolton" <davidkbolton@gmail.com> wrote:

The HTML titles for each page of the Jitsi website start with the name of
the site, followed by the section, followed by the individual page:

"Jitsi (SIP Communicator) | Documentation / InstallAndSetupOnWindows"

Unfortunately this title order makes it impossible to distinguish between
browser tabs (they are all labeled "Jitsi (SIP Co..." in the screenshot
attached) and makes the experience of referencing multiple pages a
frustrating one. For what it is worth useability expert, Jakob Nielsen,
lists this as number 6 on his list of "Top 10 Mistakes in Web Design".
http://www.nngroup.com/**articles/top-10-mistakes-web-**design/<http://www.nngroup.com/articles/top-10-mistakes-web-design/>

The favicon already indicates the site. The most important part of the
title is the part that refers to the specific page.

Any chance we can flip the order for the page titles like Wikipedia and
other sites do?

"InstallAndSetupOnWindows | Documentation | Jitsi (SIP Communicator) "

David


#4

Done.

Ingo

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Bolton [mailto:davidkbolton@gmail.com]
Sent: Freitag, 18. Januar 2013 08:32
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: [jitsi-dev] Page title order for Jitsi website

The HTML titles for each page of the Jitsi website start with the name
of the site, followed by the section, followed by the individual page:

"Jitsi (SIP Communicator) | Documentation / InstallAndSetupOnWindows"

Unfortunately this title order makes it impossible to distinguish
between browser tabs (they are all labeled "Jitsi (SIP Co..." in the
screenshot attached) and makes the experience of referencing multiple
pages a frustrating one. For what it is worth useability expert, Jakob
Nielsen, lists this as number 6 on his list of "Top 10 Mistakes in Web
Design". http://www.nngroup.com/articles/top-10-mistakes-web-design/

The favicon already indicates the site. The most important part of the
title is the part that refers to the specific page.

Any chance we can flip the order for the page titles like Wikipedia and
other sites do?

"InstallAndSetupOnWindows | Documentation | Jitsi (SIP Communicator) "

David


#5

http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Skins/SkinGuidelines#title

Ingo

From: Emil Ivov [mailto:emcho@jitsi.org]
Sent: Freitag, 18. Januar 2013 10:47
To: dev@jitsi.java.net
Subject: [jitsi-dev] Re: Page title order for Jitsi website

If anoyone knows how to change this with PMwiki, tips are most welcome.

Emil

--sent from my mobile

  The HTML titles for each page of the Jitsi website start with the

name

of the site, followed by the section, followed by the individual page:

  "Jitsi (SIP Communicator) | Documentation /

InstallAndSetupOnWindows"

  Unfortunately this title order makes it impossible to distinguish
between browser tabs (they are all labeled "Jitsi (SIP Co..." in the
screenshot attached) and makes the experience of referencing multiple

pages a

frustrating one. For what it is worth useability expert, Jakob Nielsen,

lists

this as number 6 on his list of "Top 10 Mistakes in Web Design".
http://www.nngroup.com/articles/top-10-mistakes-web-design/
<http://www.nngroup.com/articles/top-10-mistakes-web-design/>

  The favicon already indicates the site. The most important part of

the

title is the part that refers to the specific page.

  Any chance we can flip the order for the page titles like Wikipedia
and other sites do?

  "InstallAndSetupOnWindows | Documentation | Jitsi (SIP Communicator)

"

···

-----Original Message-----
On Jan 18, 2013 8:32 AM, "David Bolton" <davidkbolton@gmail.com> wrote:

  David


#6

Awesome! Thanks Ingo!

I wonder whether we actually need the middle section any more. It
generally doesn't help that much to know that Developer Documentation is
in Documentation.

I'll see if I can give it a try.

Emil

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On 18.01.13, 21:15, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Done.

Ingo

-----Original Message-----
From: David Bolton [mailto:davidkbolton@gmail.com]
Sent: Freitag, 18. Januar 2013 08:32
To: Jitsi Developers
Subject: [jitsi-dev] Page title order for Jitsi website

The HTML titles for each page of the Jitsi website start with the name
of the site, followed by the section, followed by the individual page:

"Jitsi (SIP Communicator) | Documentation / InstallAndSetupOnWindows"

Unfortunately this title order makes it impossible to distinguish
between browser tabs (they are all labeled "Jitsi (SIP Co..." in the
screenshot attached) and makes the experience of referencing multiple
pages a frustrating one. For what it is worth useability expert, Jakob
Nielsen, lists this as number 6 on his list of "Top 10 Mistakes in Web
Design". http://www.nngroup.com/articles/top-10-mistakes-web-design/

The favicon already indicates the site. The most important part of the
title is the part that refers to the specific page.

Any chance we can flip the order for the page titles like Wikipedia and
other sites do?

"InstallAndSetupOnWindows | Documentation | Jitsi (SIP Communicator) "

David

--
https://jitsi.org


#7

http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Skins/SkinGuidelines#title

Thanks. However, I only see how to control the title in case (:notitle:)
is in use. Do you see anything that allows you to modify construction of
the default title?

Otherwise I did remove (SIP Communicator) from the title base so I hope
this helps a bit.

Emil

···

On 18.01.13, 12:23, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

Ingo

-----Original Message-----
From: Emil Ivov [mailto:emcho@jitsi.org]
Sent: Freitag, 18. Januar 2013 10:47
To: dev@jitsi.java.net
Subject: [jitsi-dev] Re: Page title order for Jitsi website

If anoyone knows how to change this with PMwiki, tips are most welcome.

Emil

--sent from my mobile

On Jan 18, 2013 8:32 AM, "David Bolton" <davidkbolton@gmail.com> wrote:

  The HTML titles for each page of the Jitsi website start with the

name

of the site, followed by the section, followed by the individual page:

  "Jitsi (SIP Communicator) | Documentation /

InstallAndSetupOnWindows"

  Unfortunately this title order makes it impossible to distinguish
between browser tabs (they are all labeled "Jitsi (SIP Co..." in the
screenshot attached) and makes the experience of referencing multiple

pages a

frustrating one. For what it is worth useability expert, Jakob Nielsen,

lists

this as number 6 on his list of "Top 10 Mistakes in Web Design".
http://www.nngroup.com/articles/top-10-mistakes-web-design/
<http://www.nngroup.com/articles/top-10-mistakes-web-design/>

  The favicon already indicates the site. The most important part of

the

title is the part that refers to the specific page.

  Any chance we can flip the order for the page titles like Wikipedia
and other sites do?

  "InstallAndSetupOnWindows | Documentation | Jitsi (SIP Communicator)

"

  David

--
https://jitsi.org


#8

I thought that our skin might contain something like
<title>$WikiTitle | $Titlespaced</title>

Inversing that to <title>$Titlespaced | $WikiTitle</title> would at least
bring the title before Jitsi, but wouldn't solve that there's still the
category first. To solve that, something like

<title>$HTMLTitle</title>
$HTMLTitle = PageVar($pagename, '$Titlespaced').' | '. PageVar($pagename,
'$Group').' | '.$WikiTitle

should work.

Ingo

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On 18.01.13, 12:23, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Skins/SkinGuidelines#title

Thanks. However, I only see how to control the title in case (:notitle:)
is in use. Do you see anything that allows you to modify construction of
the default title?


#9

While you're at it, what about stripping the index.php from the URLs?
http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/CleanUrls#dir_above

(In combination with 'Example Three' and 'Serving Existing Content' I guess)

Ingo

···

On 18.01.13, 12:23, Ingo Bauersachs wrote:

http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Skins/SkinGuidelines#title

Thanks. However, I only see how to control the title in case (:notitle:)
is in use. Do you see anything that allows you to modify construction of
the default title?

Otherwise I did remove (SIP Communicator) from the title base so I hope
this helps a bit.