[jitsi-dev] notion of "voice" as in xep


#1

Hi,
I am exploring support for setting up remote voice conference bridge along
with chat rooms - all in one place.

Now, from an implementation perspective which XEP explains voice + IM in a
chat room.

Does jitsi support it?

Also, as in XEP-0045 Multi User Chat, is my interpretation correct that it
only referes to chat rooms with text i.e. no voice conference support. This
is becasue I find the use of term "voice" e.g. "granting voice" in
following, a bit confusing as after reading the spec it seems to mean
"texting rights". So there is no such thing as voice conference support in
the chat room when it comes to XEP-0045.

http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#grantvoice

Regards,
Adnan


#2

Hey Adnan,

Please try not to abuse the mailing lists. Only post to one mailing list
at a time and only once per subject. Please remember that there are
hundreds of subscribers on these lists and unnecessary noise quickly
gets annoying.

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На 09.07.11 07:13, Adnan написа:

Hi,
I am exploring support for setting up remote voice conference bridge
along with chat rooms - all in one place.

Now, from an implementation perspective which XEP explains voice + IM in
a chat room.

Here's one: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0272.html

Does jitsi support it?

No, Jitsi does conf calls with http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0298.html

Also, as in XEP-0045 Multi User Chat, is my interpretation correct that
it only referes to chat rooms with text i.e. no voice conference
support.

This is correct.

Hope this helps,
Emil

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This is becasue I find the use of term "voice" e.g. "granting
voice" in following, a bit confusing as after reading the spec it seems
to mean "texting rights". So there is no such thing as voice conference
support in the chat room when it comes to XEP-0045.

http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#grantvoice

Regards,
Adnan


#3

Hi Emil,

I see that COIN is in an experimental track and MUJI obviously has
scalability issues.

-Understand that JITSI implements COIN. Is there any jabber server out there
that implements either COIN or only the "media mixer for jingle clients:
nothing fancy just the bare bone singalling and media(rtp)"? The aim is to
support audio conferencing in jabber chat rooms using jitsi.

-Though unlikely, may be IETF should get some inspiration from the XMPP
spec.authoring guidelines. COIN write up is far more welcoming to the reader
than any other RFC I have ever read.

-Are there any other alternatives to COIN under consideration.

-I see that COIN tries to stay close to the RFC 4575 as far as possible.What
other standard track RFC are there that are worth a go through in context of
audio conferencing.

I would appreciate any input on this.

Regards,
Adnan

p.s: posted to the two lists assuming the relevance to be as such..don't
know if most people are member of both lists. point noted and my apologies
if that was of inconveniene to anyone.

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On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org> wrote:

Hey Adnan,

Please try not to abuse the mailing lists. Only post to one mailing list
at a time and only once per subject. Please remember that there are
hundreds of subscribers on these lists and unnecessary noise quickly
gets annoying.

more inline

На 09.07.11 07:13, Adnan написа:
> Hi,
> I am exploring support for setting up remote voice conference bridge
> along with chat rooms - all in one place.
>
> Now, from an implementation perspective which XEP explains voice + IM in
> a chat room.

Here's one: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0272.html

> Does jitsi support it?

No, Jitsi does conf calls with http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0298.html

> Also, as in XEP-0045 Multi User Chat, is my interpretation correct that
> it only referes to chat rooms with text i.e. no voice conference
> support.

This is correct.

Hope this helps,
Emil

> This is becasue I find the use of term "voice" e.g. "granting
> voice" in following, a bit confusing as after reading the spec it seems
> to mean "texting rights". So there is no such thing as voice conference
> support in the chat room when it comes to XEP-0045.
>
> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#grantvoice
>
> Regards,
> Adnan


#4

As far as XMPP standards go it's just Muji and COIN at the moment.
However it's looking probable that Google will publish a XEP for their
new "Hangouts" feature in Google Plus, see
http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/jingle/2011-July/001666.html for more
info on that.

Regards,
Matthew

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On 9 July 2011 15:29, Adnan <112linuxstockholm@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Emil,

I see that COIN is in an experimental track and MUJI obviously has scalability issues.

-Understand that JITSI implements COIN. Is there any jabber server out there that implements either COIN or only the "media mixer for jingle clients: nothing fancy just the bare bone singalling and media(rtp)"? The aim is to support audio conferencing in jabber chat rooms using jitsi.

-Though unlikely, may be IETF should get some inspiration from the XMPP spec.authoring guidelines. COIN write up is far more welcoming to the reader than any other RFC I have ever read.

-Are there any other alternatives to COIN under consideration.


#5

Adding to what Matthew said:

На 09.07.11 16:48, Matthew Wild написа:

Hi Emil,

I see that COIN is in an experimental track and MUJI obviously has
scalability issues.

-Understand that JITSI implements COIN.

Indeed.

Is there any jabber server
out there that implements either COIN or only the "media mixer for
jingle clients: nothing fancy just the bare bone singalling and
media(rtp)"? The aim is to support audio conferencing in jabber
chat rooms using jitsi.

The good thing with Coin is that you don't need any server support
whatsoever. Jitsi implements Coin as both a mixer and a participant.

Cheers,
Emil

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On 9 July 2011 15:29, Adnan <112linuxstockholm@gmail.com> wrote: