[jitsi-dev] java 1.8 and jitsi


#1

I know, devs keep saying that if I want Java 1.8 supported, I should write a patch (which I can’t, so not helpful) but what I wonder is, I just searched the existing tickets and couldn’t find a ticket for this problem.

While I love that jitsi offers encrypted chat and voice calls, using java 1.6 on OS X somewhat spoils that entire idea.

So, if not a patch, would at least having a ticket, be a good first step, to get this tackled?


#2

На 30.07.2014 в 13:39, Foss написа:

I know, devs keep saying that if I want Java 1.8 supported, I should write a patch (which I can’t, so not helpful) but what I wonder is, I just searched the existing tickets and couldn’t find a ticket for this problem.

While I love that jitsi offers encrypted chat and voice calls, using java 1.6 on OS X somewhat spoils that entire idea.

I'm using Jitsi for OS X with Java 8 BUT it's from source, not from a binary distribution. As far as I remember, the videos in the preview and in calls do not show up. Otherwise, chat and audio calls work for me.

So, if not a patch, would at least having a ticket, be a good first step, to get this tackled?

There are problems with Java 8 on Linux as well (e.g. PortAudio is crashing the process for me on Ubuntu 14.04).

I guess we could have a ticket to fix Jitsi with Java 8 in general (I haven't checked whether there isn't such a ticket so I'm trusting you on that). Note though that I'm not sure when we'll have the time to work on it.


#3

На 30.07.2014 в 13:39, Foss написа:

I know, devs keep saying that if I want Java 1.8 supported, I should write
a patch (which I can’t, so not helpful) but what I wonder is, I just searched
the existing tickets and couldn’t find a ticket for this problem.

While I love that jitsi offers encrypted chat and voice calls, using java
1.6 on OS X somewhat spoils that entire idea.

I'm using Jitsi for OS X with Java 8 BUT it's from source, not from a
binary distribution. As far as I remember, the videos in the preview and
in calls do not show up. Otherwise, chat and audio calls work for me.

Do we +/- know what the problem is for that? I might give it a go as I've got the MacBook with me these days.

So, if not a patch, would at least having a ticket, be a good first step,
to get this tackled?

There are problems with Java 8 on Linux as well (e.g. PortAudio is
crashing the process for me on Ubuntu 14.04).

I guess we could have a ticket to fix Jitsi with Java 8 in general (I
haven't checked whether there isn't such a ticket so I'm trusting you on
that). Note though that I'm not sure when we'll have the time to work on it.

Ingo

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On 2014-07-30 19:03, Lyubomir Marinov wrote:


#4

Lyubomir, do you have any insight into

1. why Jitsi build from source works with Java 1.8 but the nightly binaries do not? (or do they and I should retry that?)

2. why Video calls are broken?

Since Ingo is kindly offering to take a stab at this, it would be great to not see this offer pass without any action. Maybe the required fixes to get java 1.8 working are not as bad as they seem?

Again, imo this would be rather important to address. Being 2 versions behind with Java really is a "no-no“.

Regards

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Am 30.07.2014 um 17:54 schrieb Ingo Bauersachs <ingo@jitsi.org>:

On 2014-07-30 19:03, Lyubomir Marinov wrote:

На 30.07.2014 в 13:39, Foss написа:

I know, devs keep saying that if I want Java 1.8 supported, I should write
a patch (which I can’t, so not helpful) but what I wonder is, I just searched
the existing tickets and couldn’t find a ticket for this problem.

While I love that jitsi offers encrypted chat and voice calls, using java
1.6 on OS X somewhat spoils that entire idea.

I'm using Jitsi for OS X with Java 8 BUT it's from source, not from a
binary distribution. As far as I remember, the videos in the preview and
in calls do not show up. Otherwise, chat and audio calls work for me.

Do we +/- know what the problem is for that? I might give it a go as I've got the MacBook with me these days.

So, if not a patch, would at least having a ticket, be a good first step,
to get this tackled?

There are problems with Java 8 on Linux as well (e.g. PortAudio is
crashing the process for me on Ubuntu 14.04).

I guess we could have a ticket to fix Jitsi with Java 8 in general (I
haven't checked whether there isn't such a ticket so I'm trusting you on
that). Note though that I'm not sure when we'll have the time to work on it.

Ingo

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#5

another question for Lyubomir: so how do I run Jitsi with Java 1.8? If I remove 1.6 it keeps telling me to install just that.

I don’t need video chat, so the current limitations are ok with me. But what I do not want to use is an EOL java 1.6.


#6

Lyubomir, do you have any insight into

1. why Jitsi build from source works with Java 1.8 but the nightly binaries do not? (or do they and I should retry that?)

I'm guessing and/or remembering what I've heard in the past here: the
native launcher which loads the Java Virtual Machine and then executes
the Jitsi application insists on Java 6 on OS X.

2. why Video calls are broken?

I don't know.

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2014-08-22 12:16 GMT+03:00 Foss <foss@openmailbox.org>:


#7

To repeat myself, I'm running Jitsi on OS X with Java 8 from source,
not the binary distribution.

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2014-08-25 14:20 GMT+03:00 Foss <foss@openmailbox.org>:

another question for Lyubomir: so how do I run Jitsi with Java 1.8? If I
remove 1.6 it keeps telling me to install just that.


#8

so what’s the route for the common noob? should jitsi make such a 1.8 build available for the public? I’m sure there are more users who’d like to ditch java 1.6.

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Am 25.08.2014 um 13:35 schrieb Lyubomir Marinov <lyubomir.marinov@jitsi.org>:

2014-08-25 14:20 GMT+03:00 Foss <foss@openmailbox.org>:

another question for Lyubomir: so how do I run Jitsi with Java 1.8? If I
remove 1.6 it keeps telling me to install just that.

To repeat myself, I'm running Jitsi on OS X with Java 8 from source,
not the binary distribution.

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#9

I presume users who are unable to patch the blocking issues and
contribute the patches to us are welcome to voice their opinion and to
wait for us to fix the issues in accord with our priorities.

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2014-08-25 15:44 GMT+03:00 Foss <foss@openmailbox.org>:

so what’s the route for the common noob? should jitsi make such a 1.8 build
available for the public? I’m sure there are more users who’d like to ditch
java 1.6.


#10

Hi team,

another 2 months, any news?

Just updated to OS X 10.10 and first thing that shows when opening Jitsi is being asked for Java 1.6. We’re at 1.8.

I’m sure you have reasons for your priorities. Maybe OS X is a low priority in general or the client is less important due to Jit Meet work. I still think this is not a minor glitch. If you offer audio / chat encryption, this Java issue should be dealt with or else there’s no real reason to implement any security feature in Jitsi in the first place.

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Am 25.08.2014 um 14:53 schrieb Lyubomir Marinov <lyubomir.marinov@jitsi.org>:

2014-08-25 15:44 GMT+03:00 Foss <foss@openmailbox.org>:

so what’s the route for the common noob? should jitsi make such a 1.8 build
available for the public? I’m sure there are more users who’d like to ditch
java 1.6.

I presume users who are unable to patch the blocking issues and
contribute the patches to us are welcome to voice their opinion and to
wait for us to fix the issues in accord with our priorities.

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#11

The video issues we have with Java 1.7+ are still unresolved. There is no
one opposing a move and no congincing is necessary. What *is* necessary is
for someone to actually spend time on and resolve the problems. Your
patches would be welcome.

I could absolutely not follow your argument about why you consider security
features to be pointless. I would very much like to hear the reasoning.

--sent from my mobile

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On 20 Oct 2014 10:11 AM, "Foss" <foss@openmailbox.org> wrote:

Hi team,

another 2 months, any news?

Just updated to OS X 10.10 and first thing that shows when opening Jitsi
is being asked for Java 1.6. We’re at 1.8.

I’m sure you have reasons for your priorities. Maybe OS X is a low
priority in general or the client is less important due to Jit Meet work. I
still think this is not a minor glitch. If you offer audio / chat
encryption, this Java issue should be dealt with or else there’s no real
reason to implement any security feature in Jitsi in the first place.

> Am 25.08.2014 um 14:53 schrieb Lyubomir Marinov < > lyubomir.marinov@jitsi.org>:
>
> 2014-08-25 15:44 GMT+03:00 Foss <foss@openmailbox.org>:
>> so what’s the route for the common noob? should jitsi make such a 1.8
build
>> available for the public? I’m sure there are more users who’d like to
ditch
>> java 1.6.
>
> I presume users who are unable to patch the blocking issues and
> contribute the patches to us are welcome to voice their opinion and to
> wait for us to fix the issues in accord with our priorities.
>
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