[jitsi-dev] Chat window


#1

Hi,

why the chat window looks like this on MAC ? on the input text area it miss everything....

Thanks
Fabio


#2

According to r8204 by Yana, it is a new "[e]nhanced chat window interface".

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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Fabio Telme <fabio@telme.sg> wrote:

why the chat window looks like this on MAC ? on the input text area it miss everything....


#3

I'm forwarding Fabio's reply to the dev mailing list.

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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Fabio Telme <fabio@telme.sg> wrote:

Hi

Thanks for the answer but it is strange because it looks like a broken UI

Regards
Fabio

Il giorno 28/gen/2011, alle ore 19.21, Lyubomir Marinov ha scritto:

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Fabio Telme <fabio@telme.sg> wrote:

why the chat window looks like this on MAC ? on the input text area it miss everything....

According to r8204 by Yana, it is a new "[e]nhanced chat window interface".


#4

На 28.01.11 20:41, Lyubomir Marinov написа:

I'm forwarding Fabio's reply to the dev mailing list.

Thanks

Hi

Thanks for the answer but it is strange because it looks like a broken UI

There are still a few issues with the new interface and they'll be fixed
shortly. Most probably however some of us would be feeling uncomfortable
because we are not used to it, so let's give it some time.

Many people have been complaining about the unnecessary space that the
edit bar and the various borders were taking and how oldish this looked.

Besides, most IM applications today, whether they have a rich
client-side or a web interface, do not have send buttons and such, so
it's time we tried this too.

Cheers,
Emil

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On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Fabio Telme <fabio@telme.sg> wrote:

Regards
Fabio

Il giorno 28/gen/2011, alle ore 19.21, Lyubomir Marinov ha scritto:

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Fabio Telme <fabio@telme.sg> wrote:

why the chat window looks like this on MAC ? on the input text area it miss everything....

According to r8204 by Yana, it is a new "[e]nhanced chat window interface".


#5

Please bring back the send button.

Two weeks ago true story (on pidgin which by default does not have a send button, had to enable the plug-in) I spent 15 minutes explaining to an older gentleman over the phone that hitting the enter key while the cursor was active in the text box will send the message. For 3 weeks before that the gentleman was replying to messages but not sending them. He actually thought he was being ignored. For some users it does not come naturally to hit the enter key to send a message. They tend to think that text is sent as they type. The style of messaging were text is sent real time is prevalent in Amateur Radio/Ham Radio and very old pc communication systems. Probably not your target audience but Amateur Radio operators do have a passion for communicating using non-traditional means well non-traditional to them. So Sip-Comm fits in to that well with its Voip capabilities.

So back to sip-comm after the recent update of sip-comm I was not happy to see that the send button was gone. The button should be on by default. But also should have a method to disable it for advanced users. Having the button there by default is important as many users who need it won’t have the knowledge to turn it on. However users who tend not to like the presents of the button are generally advanced enough and will have the skills to figure out how to turn it off.

At the very least add the option to enable it maybe in the same manner as Pidgin. I don’t like this option but if we can’t have the button on by default its important to be able to turn it on. Speaking from experience were I had to install pidgin on 50 pcs (before I knew about sip-comm) it sucks to have to go back to each of those pc and enable the button. Because management feels most employees don’t know how to hit enter to send.

I hope I explained my position on the send button well.

Thanks.

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From: Emil Ivov [mailto:emcho@sip-communicator.org]
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 5:32 AM
To: Lyubomir Marinov
Cc: dev@jitsi.java.net
Subject: [jitsi-dev] Re: Chat window

На 28.01.11 20:41, Lyubomir Marinov написа:

I'm forwarding Fabio's reply to the dev mailing list.

Thanks

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Fabio Telme <fabio@telme.sg> wrote:

Hi

Thanks for the answer but it is strange because it looks like a broken UI

There are still a few issues with the new interface and they'll be fixed
shortly. Most probably however some of us would be feeling uncomfortable
because we are not used to it, so let's give it some time.

Many people have been complaining about the unnecessary space that the
edit bar and the various borders were taking and how oldish this looked.

Besides, most IM applications today, whether they have a rich
client-side or a web interface, do not have send buttons and such, so
it's time we tried this too.

Cheers,
Emil

Regards
Fabio

Il giorno 28/gen/2011, alle ore 19.21, Lyubomir Marinov ha scritto:

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Fabio Telme <fabio@telme.sg> wrote:

why the chat window looks like this on MAC ? on the input text area it miss everything....

According to r8204 by Yana, it is a new "[e]nhanced chat window interface".

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#6

Hey Jeffrey,

Thanks for your feedback. Please find my comments inline:

На 29.01.11 20:26, Jeffrey Garruba написа:

So back to sip-comm after the recent update of sip-comm I was not happy
to see that the send button was gone. The button should be on by
default. But also should have a method to disable it for advanced users.
Having the button there by default is important as many users who need
it won’t have the knowledge to turn it on. However users who tend not to
like the presents of the button are generally advanced enough and will
have the skills to figure out how to turn it off.

Facebook, GMail and GoogleTalk, Skype, Twitter, iChat, Yahoo! Messenger,
Windows Live Messenger, Adium, Pidgin, and Trillian all ship without a
"Send" button.

I hence find it safe to assume that the overwhelming majority of the
users, be they advanced or not, would be quite comfortable without it.

I can also accept that some may need to have it but I don't think this
is reason enough to bring it back.

At the very least add the option to enable it maybe in the same manner
as Pidgin.

We may consider this indeed. I am afraid I can't give you an ETA at this
point though.

I don’t like this option but if we can’t have the button on
by default its important to be able to turn it on. Speaking from
experience were I had to install pidgin on 50 pcs (before I knew about
sip-comm) it sucks to have to go back to each of those pc and enable the
button. Because management feels most employees don’t know how to hit
enter to send.

Once we add the option of manually enabling a "Send" button, you may
want to consider using online provisioning [0] for the clients you've
currently deployed so that you want need to manually reconfigure them,
whatever the reason.

Hope this helps,

Emil

[0] http://sip-communicator.org/provisioning